Reflections Lakeside Lodge at Disney World
Walt Disney World announced Reflections – A Disney Lakeside Lodge, a new nature-inspired resort for the former River Country water park location along the shore of Bay Lake between Wilderness Lodge and Fort Wilderness. This development would be mixed use, with both hotel rooms and Disney Vacation Club villas. (Updated September 15, 2023.)
Originally announced back in October 2018, Reflections – A Disney Lakeside Lodge will “be a celebration of Walt Disney’s lifelong love and respect for nature” with more than 900 hotel rooms and Disney Vacation Club villas. Reflections resort was slated to be the 16th Disney Vacation Club property, part of a significant expansion on the hotel side of Walt Disney World. That plan would have brought a total of more than 1,700 new hotel rooms and Disney Vacation Club villas online over four years.
Reflections – A Disney Lakeside Lodge was further elaborated upon at the 2019 D23 Expo, and it was billed as one of the “most unique resorts ever built” at Walt Disney World. Concept art was shared of the novel accommodations, including both treehouse suites and waterfront A-frame cabins that would be available at the resort. Reflections — A Disney Lakeside Lodge would also feature a restaurant inspired by Princess and the Frog, located “along the bayou of Bay Lake.”
September 15, 2023 Update: Let’s start by bringing you up to speed, as this is the first time we’ve had an update on Reflections – A Disney Lakeside Lodge in over 3 years. Back when the parks closed and all construction stopped, Walt Disney World mothballed the construction site for Reflections – A Disney Lakeside Lodge.
The project was effectively cancelled and crews on site removed concrete and rebar. At that point, pretty much all that had occurred was site clearing and staging for construction to begin. The project had yet to begin foundation work, let alone vertical construction. Fast-forward three years, and it’s essentially an empty parcel. The future home of Reflections is still very much visible from California Grill or even the boat en route to Wilderness Lodge–it’s the big empty area amidst the trees.
Today’s development is that Florida has granted Walt Disney Imagineering a 5-year extension on a permit related to the construction of Reflections – A Disney Lakeside Lodge. That permit will now expire on May 31, 2028. Note that this permit is not for the Reflections site itself, it’s for the STOLport Site–near the former Walt Disney World Airport, with STOLport standing for Short Take-Off and Landing. Reflections – A Disney Lakeside Lodge wouldn’t be built on the STOLport site, but it would act as a convenient staging ground located between the TTC and Fort Wilderness.
It’s entirely possible that the STOLport is intended to be used as a staging site for something else, but Imagineering addressed Reflections – A Disney Lakeside Lodge in its extension request, asserting that it was needed because the project was shut down during COVID-19, which therefore delayed the completion of the project. To be honest, I don’t have enough experience with this sort of thing to know whether it’d be appropriate to request an extension in this manner for a materially different project.
In the intervening years since Reflections was mothballed/cancelled/delayed indefinitely, a trio of new Disney Vacation Club projects in the Magic Kingdom resort area has been announced, indirectly replacing Reflections – A Disney Lakeside Lodge. The first and smallest of these was at Walt Disney World’s flagship resort, converting one outlying building to new Resort Studios at the Grand Floridian. That project wrapped up last year and is now available for sale.
The next of these is the New DVC Tower at Disney’s Polynesian Village Resort (pictured above), which is currently under construction and is slated to open in late 2024 at Walt Disney World. Based on the incredibly quick pace with which that expansion is being built, there’s no reason to believe it’ll be delayed. This will be a license to print money for DVC, as everyone loves the Poly.
Finally, there’s the Cabins at Disney’s Fort Wilderness Resort – A Disney Vacation Club Resort (concept art below). This was announced earlier this year and work has not yet started, but these are slated to open in 2024–potentially before the Poly tower. The new cabins being pre-fabricated off-site and installed unit-by-unit, not built on location. Accordingly, the turnaround time could be a matter of months from start to finish. This is the project that could theoretically be using the STOLport Site for staging, but I wonder whether that’s even necessary. I assume these things are build hundreds of miles away and trucked in–is a staging site necessary?
The other reason it’s worth drawing attention to these projects is because there are a lot of them. In addition to this trio, the Villas at Disneyland Hotel just went on sale earlier this year and will open in September 2023. Then there’s Disney’s Riviera Resort and Aulani in Hawaii, the latter of which has been on sale for years now; there’s a decent chance Aulani will never sell out of DVC points.
While Disney Vacation Club has demonstrated a willingness to go full steam ahead on new projects, there are already a lot of them underway. This is significant because it means a ton of points being sold simultaneously, and numerous resorts competing with one another for the attention of buyers.
This is all happening as there’s been something of a Disney Vacation Club Sales Slump. That’s occurring against the backdrop of rising interest rates, slowing consumer spending, and the possibility of a recession in the next year or two.
It thus seems ostensibly unlikely that Disney Vacation Club will resume Reflections – A Disney Lakeside Lodge anytime soon. They’ve started too many projects and have too much for sale right now already. However, it’s not just the permit. That alone could be ignored or explained away as pertaining to another project, housekeeping, or Imagineering wanting to keep its options open.
In addition to the STOLport permit, there are rumblings that Reflections will soon be revived. Nothing concrete or specific, but there’s enough smoke that this seems plausible. Personally, I’m skeptical as this doesn’t make a ton of sense on its face. I’m also increasingly open to the possibility based on current rumors.
Reflections resuming defies past precedent and would’ve been deemed crazy even ~5 years ago, back when Disney Vacation Club didn’t announce the next project (and literally denied the existence of construction occurring in plain view), but a lot has changed since. Back then, DVC tried to space its additions so they wouldn’t directly competing with one another and cannibalize sales. Announcements for the next DVC property didn’t start until sales were healthy and had progressed for the previous one.
Things have changed more recently, and Disney Vacation Club has had several properties for sale simultaneously for the last several years. There hasn’t been hesitation in announcing the next big expansion or starting construction–it seems like there’s been a philosophy change. Perhaps now Disney Vacation Club is fine with a larger number of properties being available for sale, with the thought process that more variety equals greater consumer choice and a higher likelihood of selling memberships. (After all, they’re all going to sell out eventually…well, maybe minus Aulani!)
Another possibility is that Reflections – A Disney Lakeside Lodge is on the precipice of resuming, but not as a Disney Vacation Club project. At least, not right away. Walt Disney World needs more hotel inventory, too. There’s nothing to say this previously mixed-use development couldn’t start as a hotel project, but be built with the long-term intentions of “conversion” to Disney Vacation Club when point supply and demand dictated as much. That does seem very plausible to me, and might be what Walt Disney World opts to do. (In that case, I wonder how they message the ‘nature’ of Reflections – A Disney Lakeside Lodge.)
A final possibility is that the Fort Wilderness Cabins project has been scrapped, or at least abandoned as a Disney Vacation Club development. It’s my understanding that the existing cabins are slated for replacement one way or another, but there’s nothing to say they couldn’t remain as a hotel inventory. Or maybe they’ll be rolled into the Reflections – A Disney Lakeside Lodge condo association–who knows!
Regardless of what happens in the near-term, it’s pretty safe to say that the Reflections site will be developed at some point down the road. Walt Disney World only has so much prime parcels for resorts, and this is one of them. Not only that, but a lot of the site prepwork was already done and it’s still in pretty good condition. It just makes sense for construction to happen here in the future, and my guess would be that it starts before 2030.
Whether that’s Reflections – A Disney Lakeside Lodge or a totally new concept is anyone’s guess. I’d speculate that the further removed we get from the prior mothballing/delay/cancellation, the more likely it is that Disney will revisit both the name and the concept. Even if this project were re-announced tomorrow, I think the odds are pretty good that the concept art would look materially different and the name wouldn’t be the same.
Turning to my original commentary, I love Wilderness Lodge and Fort Wilderness. I’m a Disney Vacation Club member. In theory, Reflections – A Disney Lakeside Lodge seems perfectly tailored to some of my favorite things about Walt Disney World. I want to love the idea of the River Country parcel finally being redeveloped, instead of rotting in plain sight. I’m truly hopeful for the best here.
Unfortunately, like pretty much every Fort Wilderness fan, I’m very apprehensive about this Disney Vacation Club project (well, mixed-use, but presumably mostly DVC). Part of what makes Fort Wilderness special is that it’s been relatively undisturbed by time, and is one of the last bastions of “Vacation Kingdom of the World” era of WDW.
It’s almost remarkable how different Fort Wilderness feels from the rest of Walt Disney World—even its neighbor, Wilderness Lodge. It’s almost as if Walt Disney World leadership has forgotten about Fort Wilderness, and it hasn’t seen the same fiscal mandates, changes in emphasis, or character as every other resort over the last couple decades. In large part, it’s been doing its thing, more or less unchanged since the 1990s.
There’s a very legitimate concern, especially after seeing how the Copper Creek and Boulder Ridge projects at Wilderness Lodge unfolded, that any expansion at or around Fort Wilderness will destroy the primitive and secluded characteristics of the campground that give it so much appeal. After all, this is a campground with wilderness right in the name–the environment is the heart and soul of Fort Wilderness.
The development of Reflections – A Disney Lakeside Lodge doesn’t necessarily have to destroy the tranquil and secluded atmosphere of Fort Wilderness, but that seems like a very distinct possibility. Disney’s recent approach to developing hotels adjacent to existing resorts doesn’t inspire much confidence, and if there’s a ham-fisted approach when clearing land or an overzealous mentality when it comes to the size or proximity of the resort to the campground, it will be incredibly detrimental to Fort Wilderness.
As for the design, only a couple pieces of concept art have been released, and they’re nothing special. I don’t want to rush to judgment here, as I think there is potential for this to end up being interesting once more is released, but right now it looks like a fairly generic hotel with some modern rustic flourishes.
On the plus side, Wimberly Allison Tong & Goo (WATG) is the lead designer for Reflections – A Disney Lakeside Lodge, and they have a very good track record with Disney. They designed the original Grand Floridian Resort & Spa, along with Disney hotels in Tokyo, Paris, and Hong Kong.
If this were a decade or two ago, I might be more deferential to Disney with regard to this concept art. However, the last several years have shown that Walt Disney World is very hit or miss with resort development and redesigns, skewing towards boring designs. It seems the approach is to choose the most middle-of-the-road offerings as possible so as to not alienate those with bland tastes.
When you compare Walt Disney World resorts built before the mid-1990s to ones built or redesigned in the last few years, there’s generally a clear division. Contemporary projects are often interchangeable with real world Holiday Inns or other mid-tier chained brand hotels.
Look at the difference between BoardWalk Inn or Beach Club and the new Gran Destino Tower at Coronado or Disney’s Riviera Resort. Don’t get me wrong–I like both for the amenities they offer, luxuriousness, and room designs. However, the exteriors of both leave a lot to be desired, and neither are exactly exemplars of themed design. (Admittedly, they have both grown on me a lot, but I still wish they were more ornate or unique.)
One explanation is that Disney wants to make things as crowd-pleasing as possible so as to not alienate any potential customers. The thing about this approach is that when you try to appeal to everyone, you end up appealing to no one.
Another explanation is that Imagineering’s talents are spread too thin. I know some readers might only follow the projects at Walt Disney World, but every single property around the world has huge projects in various stages of development or construction.
In the past when less was occurring simultaneously, maybe some top-tier Imagineering talent who “got” Disney’s distinct approach to hotels worked on a resort project. Now? Maybe they’re mostly designers who view working for WDI as “just another job” no different than Best Western or IHG.
Along those same lines, with so many projects in development, it’s entirely possible–if not probable–that leadership in the Parks & Resorts division is trying to trim the budget from each one, cutting aspects or details viewed as superfluous.
The problem is that those leaders are not creatives, and their experience is often in consumer products or other division of the company. They have absolutely no insight into what details are actually superfluous, and what are necessary for reinforcing theme or creating a sense of immersion.
Ultimately, more concept art could be released that’s really good. The project could employ a deft hand when developing around Fort Wilderness in a way that doesn’t damage that landscape. (Disney, just think of how much you could pat yourselves on the back by utilizing eco-friendly and sustainable construction practices–it’d be worth it in the PR alone!) It could end up being really good–a true tribute to both Walt Disney’s love of nature, but the spirit of River Country, which was never coming back anyway.
I’m cautiously optimistic that’s what could end up happening, but I think it’s equally likely that we’ll get a generically modern and vaguely rustic design. It’s also more likely that instead of eco-friendly construction that preserves the natural beauty and wilderness of the area, we get excessive tree clearing for the construction, and an end product akin to Copper Creek and Boulder Ridge in terms of wide walkways and bare grounds.
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YOUR THOUGHTS
Are you optimistic or pessimistic about Reflections – A Disney Lakeside Lodge? What do you think of the potential of this and other new hotels at Walt Disney World? Any other questions or comments? Hearing your feedback is part of the fun, so please share your thoughts below in the comments!
Great article Tom. I was flirting with the idea of buying DVC resale with the premise being that I could stay at BR or CC and walk over to a new DVC resort for its dining and atmosphere. Wow, I am so glad I dodged that bullet! Disney has totally lost its way thematically with its resorts while trying to please the masses. The Riviera is a vanilla box and I will gladly stay at the Swan/Dolphin at a fraction of the cost if I want a theme-less hotel. Unless the prices drop drastically on the resale front and/or Disney significantly increases their incentives to buy direct, why would anyone ever want to buy DVC when resort availability (and likely discounts) be enticing you for the foreseeable future?
Thank God. It would have really killed the Settlement vibes. Now I’m just mad/sad that they cut down all those huge pine trees and cleared all that land. I wonder what they’ll do with it now. I didn’t really affect staying on a campsite but still I’m glad.
I was excited at first that a new DVC facility would be at Fort Wilderness. This is where started our LOVE for Disney with a Pop UP Camper and as time went on became a Member and bought into the Beach Club. For me the Beach Club is hard to beat but there is NOTHING like the rustic tranquility of Fort Wilderness and with the thought of a new DVC option there was exciting. When seeing what was planned our hopes diminished, the look of this “modern” hotel just did not fit in, sorry. So now maybe with some time Disney could reconsider their approach and keep in mind the future a more “rustic” country cabin looking approach rather than everything becoming a new “Star Wars” hotel.
I’m with you re: being weirdly pleased for once to see a project cancelled or put on long hold. A big part of that for me is hoping that it means they’re still prioritizing in-park projects (looking at you, Epcot), which would make sense right now from the perspective of WDW probably needing new attractions to draw visitors more than they’ll need more beds in the wake of the pandemic. And, too…I agree that the concept art just looks bland and off-theme. Nothing about it says “nature” to me. And yeah, I have not been wowed by new resort construction. Gran Destino utterly wrecked the skyline at Coronado Springs and fails to add to the themed ‘lands’ of that resort, and Riviera pays lip service at best to its theme and, again, sticks out like a sore thumb against its surroundings. I don’t mind tower resorts as a concept (while the sprawling resorts of yesteryear have a certain charm, at the end of a day in the parks I really don’t want to trek across a resort as big as Caribbean Beach), but so far the towers at WDW have come out looking very generic. When even the Swan and Dolphin beat you for theme, you know you’ve done bad.
I have mixed feelings about construction stopping. I HATED that they started to begin with, but what now? All the trees and wildlife that have been displaced. Spraying grass doesn’t really do much but put a band-aid on the eye sore. If they want to add more accomodations so much, why not just expand ft.wilderness over there? They can do fancier cabins for larger parties or even some glamping sites. Like Tom stated, the selling point for people who stay there (well MOST of the people) is that it doesn’t feel like you are caught in the hustle and bustle of a Disney resort. It feels like they really did forget about it and I love that. It’s not overly themed (which wouldn’t bother me as log as it was ACTUAL theming like Tom said), but it feels like a real thought was put into it when it was built. We love the trading posts, and the country music playing from hidden speakers all over the grounds. We love seeing the wild animals. When construction started I feel like many of us were holding our breath for this new resort to finish so we could see what damage had been done to the overall vibe at ft.wilderness. Now that it may be canceled, I feel like there’s still this sense of uncertainty that makes me uncomfortable. I’ve always felt like those of us that stay there are in this little club….and I really hope that our clubhouse comes out of whatever happens next door, without a scratch!
Well written article and articulated exactly what I feel but was unable to express. Don’t get me wrong, I love Disney and am a faithful visiter every year, but there is a blandness in the new construction that I can’t ignore. The reason I love Disney is for the escape from reality factor, the unique immersiveness they present, and the attention to detail. It seems to be slipping away with every new hotel I see. I can only hope they somehow step up their game and actually allow Imagineers to be the Imagineers Walt allowed them to be! With the technology we have today they can do amazingly awesome things (Galaxy edge proves this), if Disney execs step out of the way and just let them do their thing!
I really enjoyed this article, I read the whole thing to my husband! I don’t think he enjoyed it as much, lol. Too bad, I found it insightful and very well written.
I agree with you, glad construction has stopped and hope someone really creative gets a hold of this project and comes up with a great new design.
I’m kind of glad they are cancelling this build. I did look forward to staying there but didn’t like the destruction of the scenery, Wildlife, view from Boulder Ridge, the view and move of everything at the campground. It just wasn’t right. We don’t need more resorts for more guests to pack into already overcrowded parks.
I agree 100%.
It’s funny to me that my fiancé and I stood at the bus stop (after venturing from main fort wilderness to look at some of the camp sites lights on this past Christmas Eve) where the largest fencing stands. I just now realized how close I was to the old river country park. I looked throught thr fence and saw a huge steel structure and asked the bus driver and she told me of reflections. IT ALL (the info she disclosed) MAKES SENSE NOW. Disneys history is fascinating to me and I get lost in the internet. Not sure of the artist rendering pics of this new resort though as it really doesn’t scream LOOK KIDS NATURE to me LOLOL. My fiancé and I have only been “obsessed” with Disney since 2018 we we both visited as adults TOGETHER. THAT.was.it lol. Disney is always changing and we love that. Some don’t like change and I’m sure that is very hard to fathom.
I may be in the minority here but I find Riviera extremely beautiful and serene. I would hardly compare it to a Holiday or Fairfield Inn. I could see the argument in some of the other “newer” resorts, but this one, to me, and it is again just my opinion, was more on the level of Grand Floridian sans Monorail.
We come to FW every year with a large group, and for us it is all about escaping the every day life and getting back to nature. RV enthusiasts come he to reconnect with nature. To put something like this here is an insult to true RV people, who BTW have very expensive rigs and decorate their sites for each holiday. Shame on you..
I don’t understand what the disney company is doing. I first noticed the failure of reconstruction and later, new construction while swimming in OKW turtle pool a few years back. They removed the beautiful turtle tiles that surrounded the ledge and replaced them with what looked like Home Cheapo stock tile. The installer did a poor job. Actually spliced a tile. Maybe too lazy to get a new full tile from truck.
The redo at SSR has a basic hotel feel now. No longer feels like home. Material used is cheap and quality of work is terrible. Take a closer look after the WOW factor fades away. You’ll see the poor quality. It’s as if the contractors are over worked and under paid, Being rushed throughout disney world just to get “er” done. Are there no inspectors during and after redo.
If someone knows any, tell them to inspect the silicone around tubs. Looked for the smears and dirt mixed inside the silicone. Maybe the inspectors are just too lazy to do the job right.
Or overworked and under paid. Either way it’s poor workmanship.
The Riviera has a WOW factor that fades rather quickly. Good luck finding your room after a long night at the parks. The hallways are confusing. Try to pass the people before you. Hardly any room to pass them without getting rubbed the wrong way. The lobby is a swamp. Very small. Never a seat available. Designers didn’t even care about this blunder. No apologies either. Why have a lobby at all? Everyone checks in online anyway right? What a mess. Are the planners and designers too young and unqualified to make important decisions, or am I just too tired and old to watch the new leadership destroy disneyworld.
JOSH YOU SAID IT BEST!!! Im not a camper BUT I have a newfound respect for rv travelers and campers after we toured around in Christmas Eve at the campsites. The thousands of dollars people have invested in homes on wheels and decor is mindblowing and they Deserve a serenity in Disney, and this new dvc is stripping the soul of the area.
How true your observations are at Disney. While Bob Igor has made some bold moves that has I proved the Disney bottom line and stockholder value, he has most definitely taken the magic and pixie dust out of the formula that made the Disney experience second to none. Mistake #1 was to put Bay Lake Tower so close to the Contemporary Resort Tower and grounds compromising the iconic look and grounds. They should have placed it farther away because it spoils the look of one of the most unique and innovative structures is the world. Igor is no Eisner who presented the childlike premise of what if.. Every resort build after the Eisner/Wells era from 1984 to 1994 does not match in comparison to creativity, uniqueness and theming. I am not looking forward to the Reflections Resort coming
Ugh so disappointed they are disturbing the nature around the campground. It was the only saving grace of a mistake Disney did not make. Such a horrible place to put this. The least they could have done was make it look wilder was like again. I thought we would do Disney for another couple of years until my child grew out of it but it’s looking like we will do less. Being at the campground and seeing the construction is so utterly sad. Thanks for all the info in your article.
Oops meant look more wilderness like.
Fine job on your article TOM.
I once was a Opening Cast Member 1970 to 1980. The pixie dust kept drawing us to property each and every year. Now as many are saying, the thrill is gone.
The future is for those who know no better. Vacation Club Members.
Agreed! They tore out half the CBR to put in the Riviera and ruined the whole ambiance. What an eyesore!! I was dreading the outcome at the campground. So happy they scrapped this one. 🙂
I hope someone of import at Disney reads this. This new generic era is so boring and non-magical. I wish they would return to true Disney theming. Such a disappointment the way it looks currently.
I was so disappointed in the Riviera as well.
I sure hope some muckity-muck at WDW with actual pull reads your blog. More fantasy! Less day-to-day reality! Keep WDW magical!
Melissa, you nailed it.
I love FW although I havent stayed there since 1990 as a young kid. I am so happy I went to Mickey’s Backyard BBQ recently so I could experience that area once last time plus still see the remnants of River Country. I hope the end product of this resort looks similar to Wilderness Lodge or Grand Californian and they incorporate some tributes to River Country.
It’s actually depressing. That artist rendering in no way is rustic or blends with the surrounding buildings and land. And interestingly, you know it will cost crazy amounts of money to build that could be spent on a beautifully themed structure.
Are the corporate types at Disney “goofy”, that they don’t recognize why people come to Disney? They come for entertainment, obviously, but also themed restaurants, stores and accommodations. We leave our every day lives for a “little magic”.
Getting rid of NATURE seems to be very Floriduh! We went to Hoop de Doo last night and heard about closing Mickeys BBQ. Please do not destroy this lovely area. There seems to be more digging up paradise and conservation areas and putting up multi floor resorts at Disney. Remember what happened in the movie Avatar!
Brutally honest. The soul is missing from the latest 2-3 resort properties.
THAT IS THE BEST THING IVE READ, RICH. More fantasy and less greed. People want a theme they pay for and escapism. (If I wanted a hotel like some of these new properties I would just go to TownePlace on palm parkway! Which I just spent time in for work.)
Honestly, I don’t see anything “wilderness-y” about that rendering!
If they’re planning on a nature-inspired resort near Fort Wilderness, I think it would be cooler to do something like a tree house resort where some cabins at least appear to be up in the trees. It could also have a tree top adventure that would appeal to big kids and teens (and adventurous adults), perhaps with zip lines. There could be little touches of Tarzan at the resort, or Swiss Family Robinson if they ever want to bring that back to pop culture.
Anyway, my point is that Disney could have done some really cool things with this resort. Instead, it just looks like a bland hotel.
It took them how long to get rid of Stitches Great Escape? My point being, that if this resort isn’t any good and it is in a prime location, we could still be stuck with it for many years to come – even if no one wants to stay there. People will stay there though because I bet it will be “just a short boat ride away from the Magic Kingdom”. And if they offer a boat ride to MK, then will they add it to the boat route for Wildnerness Lodge? I only hope this takes pressure from the other MK area resorts so that booking is easier for GF or WL.
We just got back from Fort Wilderness and boy were we taken back at the amount of land torn down. And taken away from the campground for ” club” members . The Backyard BBQ gone the stables gone to be replaced eventually. Its the first time we were really turned off on the 12 years we have been going there. All that charm is gone. All that wildlife displaced. But hey they will get$2600 a night for the bungalows they are putting right on our beach. Other articles actually encourage these club members to hang around and enjoy the campground in their downtime. Will we be able to hang around the DVC nope. They seem to be catering more to the wealthy anymore . Goodbye average Joe . Go stay at a value resort We don’t need you lakeside . Its a shame . Tickets ate use them or loose them now too. Its not the same company I once loved. Its become all about the money