Off-Season Is Over: An Overwhelming October at Disney World
It’s now mid-October, and Walt Disney World’s delightful off-season has come to an end. Crowds are now moderate to heavy depending upon the day and park, and we’re only expecting things to get worse. Halloween and Christmas seasons both tend to be pretty busy–this is nothing new.
This comes after the slow start for Star Wars: Galaxy’s Edge, which itself still hasn’t seen the record-breaking influx of guests originally feared or anticipated. Star Wars Land will likely, however, see wait times and crowds trending upwards throughout the next couple of months, with things getting progressively worse in December once the Star Wars: Rise of the Resistance ride opens and the Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker film premieres.
Fortunately, there are a number of silver linings in terms of October 2019 crowds at Walt Disney World. First, they’re no worse than normal–even with Star Wars: Galaxy’s Edge added to the mix. Second, it’s far easier to avoid crowds and long waits this year than in recent memory. In addition to covering the crowds, we’ll offer some tips for avoiding them in this post…
As we’ve reiterated in our October at Walt Disney World and Best & Worst Months to Visit Walt Disney World posts, October is not off-season. There is still some outdated info floating around that it’s a good time to go for a good mix of weather, crowds, and seasonal events, and that’s simply not the case.
After getting progressively worse over the past week and a half, it would seem that October crowds peaked over the weekend. We always forget about it, but it should actually be unsurprising that this weekend sees a spike each year–it’s due to the Columbus Day or Indigenous Peoples’ Day holidays, which is a long weekend for some people.
This October spike in crowds is obviously not good news. It’s startling to see triple-digit wait times for attractions that had waits around 30 minutes a month ago. In fact, the wait times we’ve seen for roughly the last week are worse than the summer or pretty much any time since Easter and spring break.
However, it’s not all bad news. For one, in the span of just a month, the weather has improved considerably. Highs are now in the mid-80s, rather than the mid-90s with “feels like” temperatures above 100. Morning and evening temperatures are downright cool at present, as opposed to being “fog your glasses hot and humid as soon as you step outside.”
Crowd-wise, September is definitely pure bliss, but it’s anything but that when it comes to weather. It’s tough to last an entire day outside in Florida during September, let alone going strong every single day for an entire week. October might have higher attendance, but at least the weather is bearable. Moreover, there are ways to avoid those crowds, making for a pleasant time overall…
In terms of crowd avoidance tips, skip Epcot on weekends and week nights when there are Extra Magic Hours. Weekends are when local Food & Wine crowds show up in full force, and Extra Magic Hours evenings are a similar draw. In fairness, we do not follow the second half of this advice ourselves. We love evening Extra Magic Hours at Epcot; we just suck it up and deal with the crowds those nights.
Your best bet with Epcot is rope drop on a weekday until about 5 or 6 pm. Due to the ending of IllumiNations and subsequent debut of the Epcot Forever fireworks (plus Food & Wine), locals have been turning out in greater numbers than normal after work on weekdays. We’d anticipate this trend continuing through the remainder of the calendar year. The sea of construction walls makes crowds feel worse than actual attendance numbers would suggest, too.
The good news is that mornings remain a delight at Epcot. If anything, rope drop at Epcot is quieter right now than normal thanks to it being the one park that does not have Extra, Extra Magic Hours. This is something we covered in our recent Double Rope Drop Day at Walt Disney World.
Suffice to say, you can get a lot done by arriving early and doing rides, followed by Food & Wine booths right when those open at 11 am. Take a midday break or find reprieve from the heat in air-conditioned attractions until late afternoon, and deal with the larger crowds in the evening. (See our Ultimate Guide to Epcot’s Food & Wine Festival for more strategy.)
The ebb and flow of Magic Kingdom crowds follows a pattern of their own. Weekends and most non-event nights have seen a visible uptick, and days that offer Extra Magic Hours in the evening are among the worst times to visit.
Saturdays at Magic Kingdom should absolutely be avoided. Because they are sandwiched between 2-3 party nights and because locals are off work, Saturday sees disproportionate crowds to the rest of the week. You’ll see several attractions with wait times over 100 minutes on Saturdays, including ones you wouldn’t expect thanks to FastPass+ distribution.
However, there remain two great times to visit. The first of these is accessible to everyone: before around 5 pm on Mickey’s Not So Scary Halloween Party nights. It’s one of those things that’s self-evident when you think about it, but is easy to overlook.
Visitors without Park Hopper tickets plan around park hours, and a 6 pm closing is far less appealing than 9 or 10 pm. It might come as a surprise, but the ‘feels like’ crowds in Magic Kingdom are lower before Mickey’s Not So Scary Halloween Party than during the event. (As we cover in our Is Mickey’s Not So Scary Halloween Party Too Crowded post, wait times are another story.)
For this reason, we strongly recommend Park Hopper tickets during this time of year. With them, you can visit Magic Kingdom during the day on party nights and then simply hop to a park that’s open latest. Disney’s Hollywood Studios and Animal Kingdom see their crowd levels drop as the day goes on.
Even if you don’t have Park Hoppers, you can often get more done in fewer hours than on a normal, non-party night. The reality is that the lower crowds on that 6 pm closing day more than offsets the extra 3 hours of park time. In that case, do dinner at one of the monorail resorts or Disney Springs on that evening.
Our choice would be a ‘monorail crawl’ of some sort, capped with a viewing of the Halloween fireworks from the Ticket & Transportation Center or Polynesian beach, which are arguably the best viewing locations to see those perimeter bursts in their full glory, anyway.
In addition to choosing the right day and time of day to visit each park, the biggest thing you can do is take advantage of Extra, Extra Magic Hours. Unlike evening Extra Magic Hours, these early morning openings are the optimal time to visit and the advantage they offer cannot be overstated.
Our Empty Magic Kingdom Morning: Extra, Extra Magic Hours Report & Tips from last month remains entirely applicable. Even as daytime crowds have picked up, ExEMH remain a great time to visit. We’ve already done a few Extra, Extra Magic Hours dates in October and have had great success.
As we’ve noted before, the early start time is simply a non-starter for so many families with small children and guests who view a trip to Walt Disney World as a relaxing vacation. As such, we anticipate ExEMH remaining a great offering until they end.
Hence our recent Why You Should Visit Disney World RIGHT NOW! post imploring you to take a last-minute trip and visit ASAP if at all possible. I doubt we’ll ever see anything like Extra, Extra Magic Hours again—at least, not anytime soon.
Unfortunately, ExEMH doesn’t do you much good if you’re staying off-site. Same goes for evening Extra Magic Hours. (Although so many people are now eligible for those, and they occur so early at night that more and more guests stay, pretty much negating any advantage they used to offer.)
However, the end of the night on non-Extra Magic Hours evenings remains the best option for off-site guests. This is especially true with Star Wars: Galaxy’s Edge, Toy Story Land, and Pandora — World of Avatar. You won’t experience any of this trio totally devoid of crowds, but given their normal popularity, even moderate crowds late at night is the best-case scenario.
For the headliners in these lands, we recommend jumping into the standby line right before park closing. Not only is this a solid approach for minimizing your wait, but it’s cooler at night and there’s (obviously) no sunlight to make the wait even more excruciating. We also favor this approach with Seven Dwarfs Mine Train—it’s typically the only way we do that ride.
Overall, October continues to be a busier month at Walt Disney World, thanks to a confluence of factors ranging from improved weather to fall breaks to seasonal offerings in the parks. Even though this is not a new (or even recent, at this point) trend, it nevertheless catches people off-guard, especially coming out of the doldrums of September. Don’t be surprised when crowds continue to swell as we head into November and December, either!
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YOUR THOUGHTS
Have you visited Walt Disney World in October this year or the last few? What has your experience been with crowds? Have you found that Extra, Extra Magic Hours or visiting each park strategically on the “right” days of the week has helped? Do you agree or disagree with our assessment of crowds at WDW? Any questions we can help you answer? Hearing your feedback–even when you disagree with us–is both interesting to us and helpful to other readers, so please share your thoughts below in the comments!
Any thoughts from previous years as to how busy Saturdays have been, historically, in January?
I find it so stressful to plan given that I had to decide six months in advance which parks to visit on each day of the trip to make ADRs, then FP. I’ll be there in two weeks and it’s much too late to take this advice, this information wasn’t available back then for this far in advance. Now I am stuck going to MK on a Saturday. There are no parties during the week of our stay either.
I feel your pain. 🙁
It would be immensley more helpful if Disney would make all information relating to park hours, party dates, etc. available 180 days out so that all ADRs and FPs could be more easily planned.
Bingo. It’s absurd that they basically make you plan dining 180 before your vacation and without being able to make fast pass selections. It is designed to only help Disney.
I’ve been to all 6 Disney resorts across the globe. And this is the very reason why I rank WDW second from the bottom. Some amount of planning is fine, but having to micromanage to this level sucks all the fun out of the experience for me.
Hello. Greetings from Guatemala!
First of all let me send in congratulations on having in my opinion the best blog that covers Disney parks. Second I would like to know how crowds are on the first full week of November. My family and I are going to visit on that time frame.
Some of us are stating on property but others are not. Also even tho this is going to be my sixth WDW visit, it’s the first one as an adult (last one was in the year 2000 when they had a 2000 decoration on the Spaceship Earth at Epcot), and I’m strangely VERY excited by it.
Seeing that a WDW trip is a very special treat for people in my country, any tips on crowds are greatly appreciated.
Keep up the great work,
Luis.
We were just at MK yesterday (10/15) and it was likely the best day we have ever had there. It was a MNSSHP day so the park closed early, but starting the day with an early breakfast at The Crystal Palace got us in before normal rope drop (Extra Magic Hours started at 7am, but we stayed off property). The crowds were light compared to our previous experience in October and we were able to go on pretty much anything and everything we wanted with minimal to moderate wait times. We even scored extra fast passes for space mountain toward the end of the day. I don’t know that we will continue to go in October due to having kids in middle/high school along with sports getting in the way, but if you’re going I would highly recommend going on a MNSSHP day during the week and get to the park early.
We should have gone then, too. We went to MK yesterday (Wed. 10/16)- it happened to be the only day of that week without the Halloween party at night and it was crazy! Wait times of triple digits & even normally lower lines were minimum 1 hour. Fastpasses were all out early & by fireworks time park was at capacity. Leaving was a nightmare- reminded me of July 4th.
If we had it to do again, even with the shorter park hours, we would have chosen to go on a Halloween party day & just left early when they kick us out before the party; we still probably would have gotten a lot more done in less time since hopefully the park would’ve been less full.
Tom,
EPCOT used to be the desirable park for NYE. Do you think that changes this year?
The two big wildcards are Future World construction and Epcot Forever. Specifically, whether it has a NYE tag (I assume it will).
If your plan is to spend most of your time in World Showcase, Epcot still looks good. If you’re more into Future World…probably not. It’ll be interesting to see the specifics of entertainment at Epcot and DHS, once they’re announced.
Yeah, we figure ambiance is the most important thing since no one is going to be riding much on NYE. We might try to use a fastpass or two, but we aren’t planning to do much more than graze and people watch. I’m just hoping they do a special NYE tag for Epcot Forever.
Tom, once again, your thoughts are very helpful. However, often the choice is not between going or not going to Magic Kingdom on Saturday, but at least in my case, deciding between which parks to go to on Thursday, Friday and Saturday. For instance, do I schedule Hollywood Studios for Saturday and go to Magic Kingdom on Thursday or vice versa. I planned (and am somewhat committed based upon my fast pass selections) to be at Hollywood Studios on Thursday November 14th due to my concern about Saturday night crowds as we really would like to experience Galaxy’s Edge at night. However, that leaves us going to Magic Kingdom on Saturday the 16th which is a day sandwiched between 3 nights of Christmas parties. I feel like a made a big mistake and will have a difficult time on Saturday getting on attractions. Should I attempt to make the switch and go to Hollywood Studios on Saturday?
Based purely on attraction wait times, yes, you should switch. Magic Kingdom wait times and crowd levels will be MUCH lower until ~4-5pm on the party days. The one caveat, though, is Happily Ever After. If you want to see HEA, you have to be in the MK on a non-party evening. If you have park-hopper tickets, this is no big deal. Make the bulk of your MK time be on party days, and just hop over to MK on Saturday evening, knowing that the place will be packed, with the sole objective of seeing HEA. You can still enjoy SWGE at night (we’ll be out of daylight savings time so sunset is at ~5:30), then take a bus to MK for HEA.
Thanks Andy.
My sisters and I stayed at Disney the Sept. 28- Oct 3. We have stayed there this time the past 3 years. The first 2 years were fine, but we found it very crowded this time around. I think Epcot was crowded because it was the end of Illuminations. Magic Kingdom was just plain crowded whenever we went. Hollywood Studios was OK because we took advantage of extra extra hours. Animal Kingdom was the best with long lines only for the Pandora rides. We are rethinking out time to travel there. It seems the busy October is creeping into lated September.
Hey Tom..we just recently visited WDW Sept. 21 -28, 2019…stayed at Animal Kingdom and visited all 4 parks…1 each day..i read your reviews and stratigies for xxmagic hours it was extremely valuable and informative..having 2 kids 13 & 11 losing a little sleep but having the whole park with NO wait times was well worth it and we haven’t used our Fastpass which we pre-scheduled for throughout the day when the crowds started to show up…even at Hollywood studios 6am opening was great…only a 15min wait for Star Wars smugglers run…slinky dog dash no wait ..avatar flight of passage xmagic hours 10min wait then fast pass later in the day…by far this was the most relaxing and fun vacation my family had….a little planning and sacrificing some sleep to have no crowds and little to no wait times..I would do it again!!! Big Thanks to you TOM for all the info..From the BOYD familyâ¤
I don’t get it. I can’t get my wife to pull our kids out of middle school ONE DAY EARLY to get a jump on spring break crowds, yet some people are able to visit WDW mid October, with nothing but Columbus Day as a reasonable excuse?!?! How does this happen??
I’d be curious to see demographics of attendance during the school year. Is now a heavy time for foreigners? Families with kids younger than middle school, when it is easier to pull them out and not miss much academically?? Retirees???
Who are these lucky people playing hooky… and more importantly, can they tell me their secrets!
We’ve gone down over the President’s day weekend a couple times. For our school district it’s the end of the first 9 weeks and they have given a 4-day weekend. Many schools here have similar breaks and some even have a full week. (And yes, there are many more home-school kids than there used to be and many more families willing to pull kids out as well.)
My kids have a 4-day weekend for Presidents’ Day as well. We’ve gone that weekend and seen massive crowds. We’ve also gone the weekend before for just a normal 2-day weekend and hit massive crowds too. February can be so nice weather wise, but that second trip was hot.
Our schools have a two week fall break. The first two full weeks in October. And many other counties around us have a week. (Tennessee)
It happens because other parents aren’t as strict as your wife! Based on my daughter’s current performance in school, I would have no hesitation pulling her out for a day!
I was lucky enough to go on some work trips with my parents when I was in Elementary School & High School. I have vivid memories of every trip I took with them as a child yet I can’t recall anything I did the weeks before and after those trips. I attended college on a full scholarship; I’m confident those couple weeks didn’t set me back. My wife and I have zero hesitation to pulling our kids for several days to spend time together as a family. They’ll be just fine.
Much of the South gets a week for “fall break.” It falls in mid to late October.
we went in 2016 for a quick 4 days which fell around the holiday weekend in october (my child was under 3 at the time so school was not an issue at the time, we went based on last minute airfare we found). we were stunned at how crowded it was. we heard a lot of eat coast accents, and saw a lot of shirts referencing new jersey and oddly enough, utah. also heard a lot of british. came to find out after the fact that it’s become a hugely popular fall break time, with some school along the east coast off the full week, and holiday time in the UK (and we assume in utah?). my child who is now in kindergarten just got done with a 4.5 day weekend (which i am hoping holds for next year, as we have the disney transatlantic cruise booked for this timeframe). i will not do october at WDW again, not for how crowded it was. we went in 2012 also in october and i don’t recall it being like that except for saturday at epcot f/w (which we learned to never do again).
yes. Utah has a break mid October that coincides with Columbus Day called UEA. Anaheim usually gets most of the crowds from Utah (its nicknamed Utahns’ Exodus to Anaheim (UEA)) but a lot will go to FL as well.
We were just there last week because our kids were on fall break (the entire week off school). We live in Tennessee and most of the state has fall break in mid-October so it’s become a very popular destination for that reason. I ran into a ton of people in the park also from Tennessee during our trip!
Perhaps those other kids attend “year round” schools. I have a friend in NC whose kids did that in elementary and middle school, and I believe they had the month of September off as one of their 4 months off during the year (they went two months school, 1 month off, four times a year).
I can’t get my husband to pull my kids out of Elementary school (though I had success early last December for Disneyland!)
I’m in the uk and we have a school half term break in mid October, not only that… a lot of school have changed it to a 2 week break. This means the only time you can take your kids on a ‘big holiday’ without being fined by our government is summer holidays (late July to early sept) which is hurricane season and unbearably hot for us who are used to miserable weather! Or October which is much more temperate, plus Halloween is such a draw when it’s not so widely celebrated in the uk.
We visited mid-October due to our schools’ Fall Break. No hooky required 😉
We are from Indiana and get a week long fall break every year in October
We have multiple 4 day weekends during the school year. We use one of those to go to Disney. We do however pull our elementary aged son out of school for 1 day to get us there and have a nice relaxing arrival day. I’m not sure how I’ll feel once he gets to middle school. Guess I’ll decide next year!
Was that pic of BTMR a line that extends outside?? That is crazy. Can’t see the standby wait time sign. I’m blown away at the crowds at Disney! I was there the last week of Sept and left Oct 2nd…..and I thought crowds swelled way too much late morning. I was so annoyed by say 3 pm I had to leave for the pool. I guess its all relative. We did very much enjoy 7 am to 9 am in HWS and AK! Those were just bliss where you could walk slowly and enjoy the details and ambiance of the parks of course in between rides rather than dodge strollers, scooters and people. We couldn’t make 6 am but I’m sure that was even better. Tom’s advice is golden.
Your insights were invaluable to me for our big family trip 2 years ago (7 of us, plus 3 grandparents)…I’m grateful. How is Nov 4-7 looking in your estimation? Surprising my wife with a trip (already booked) – looking for any additional hints since you’ve been in recent days.
but but but Tom. Touring Plans dropped their crowd levels to 2’s and 3’s some days the last week in October. In all seriousness, I plan to do many of the things you suggest like EEMH; no grumpy teens to get rolling in the mornings. Thanks for the tips