Skyliner Warning for Rope Dropping Disney’s Hollywood Studios or EPCOT
If you’re an on-site guest staying at one of the Skyliner resorts, taking advantage of Early Entry at Disney’s Hollywood Studios or EPCOT means at least one ride on the gondolas. This shares my cautionary tale and offers words of warning about when to line up for the Skyliner gondolas, or if you should pay extra for Uber/Lyft or Minnie Van.
During a recent stay at Disney’s Art of Animation Resort, I intended upon continuing my testing of the best approaches to Early Entry at EPCOT via the International Gateway. Specifically, determining whether I could beat the front entrance crowd to Guardians of the Galaxy: Cosmic Rewind (still a big nope) as well as the new protocol for Disney’s Hollywood Studios.
While I’ve used the Skyliner for Early Entry with regularity from Caribbean Beach and Riviera Resorts, it had been a while since I’d done the same from the Art of Animation and Pop Century station during busier dates. While I’ve used it during the off-season without issue, that isn’t the same.
Before we dig into the details of the day, let’s start with a few notes. The days I stayed at Art of Animation were 7/10 to 9/10 on the crowd calendar at EPCOT and Disney’s Hollywood Studios (depending on the park and day). Average wait times throughout the day for headliners like Guardians of the Galaxy: Cosmic Rewind, Star Wars: Rise of the Resistance, Slinky Dog Dash, Millennium Falcon: Smugglers Run, Remy’s Ratatouille Adventure, Frozen Ever After, and other attractions were all above an hour–a couple were over 2 hours.
Equally importantly from the perspective of the Skyliner, I would assume occupancy at both Pop Century and Art of Animation were pretty high. This was during the heart of spring break season, and when I checked shortly before my travel dates, neither resort had any availability in the standard rooms. Art of Animation did have one family suite style available, but that’s not uncommon. Occupancy all across Walt Disney World was high.
Also notable about these tests occurred on days when both EPCOT and Disney’s Hollywood Studios opened at 9:00 am. This has been the norm for over a year, as it’s exceedingly rare for either to extended their hours to 8:30 am opening times. It’s only happened a handful of times with DHS in the last year, and none (to the best of my recollection) at EPCOT.
This is relevant because the current standard operating procedure is for the Skyliner to open only an hour before Early Entry starts. On this particular day, that meant 7:30 am. The Skyliner used to open at 7 am daily with regularity, but that hasn’t been the case for at least a year. (If my experience was any indication, it needs to go back to opening at 7 am!)
This is highlighted because it could change the calculus on using the Skyliner for Early Entry. As we’ve seen in the past, morning crowds are worse with later start times and better with earlier ones. This is because people like to sleep-in on vacation, or so I’m told. This shrinks the pool of participants for Early Entry as the start time moves earlier.
Similarly, starting the Skyliner at 7:30 am puts more stress on the system, as many guests want to take advantage of Early Entry want to be at Disney’s Hollywood Studios or EPCOT by around that time. As a result, some guests line up before the Skyliner opens, and there can be a backlog to process that never goes away in the lead-up to Early Entry.
Finally, there’s a big difference between doing Early Entry from Caribbean Beach and Riviera Resort versus Pop Century and Art of Animation. This is due to the extra transfer. It is always going to take longer to use the Skyliner from the two Value Resorts as a result. In normal crowds, that’s usually just an extra 5-10 minutes, though.
Between the two Value Resorts, there are nearly 5,000 rooms. And at Art of Animation, a large number of those are family suites, so there are more guests per room on average. This is a lot of guests being serviced by one station, and during peak season, there’s not just high occupancy, but also higher crowds–creating a greater incentive to take advantage of Early Entry.
By contrast, there are under 2,000 rooms in total between Caribbean Beach and Riviera Resort. Granted, the latter is DVC and has a variety of larger rooms, but roughly two-thirds of the rooms are standard studios or the smaller 2-person studios. More importantly, there are two stations at these two resorts, which dilutes demand to some degree. (The “to some degree” part is because these stations also have to process AoA and Pop transfers.)
On the particular day I did this, I left my Little Mermaid room at Art of Animation Resort at about 7:30 am.
This was much later than I would’ve liked to leave. Normally, I’ll line up 15 minutes before the Skyliner officially opens. On some occasions, I’ve been lucky and it’s quietly started running prior to the posted time.
Since this was checkout day and I was transferring resorts, I also had to drop my luggage off at the front before heading back to the Skyliner station. Even so, I could see the line across Hourglass Lake at Pop Century, and it was long. It’s hard to make out from the phone photo, but the line extends all the way to the bowling pin on the far left of the above photo.
After dropping off my bags at the front and making my way back to the Skyliner station, I found a similarly long line on the Art of Animation side. Here’s the end of it as of 7:55 am.
Unlike the end-of-night lines at EPCOT’s International Gateway or Disney’s Hollywood Studios, this line didn’t move especially quickly. It was more like starts and stops, somewhat akin to a standby line merging with the Lightning Lane.
Or in this case, two different standby lines, as there was a Cast Member merging the Art of Animation and Pop Century queues for the Skyliner. They’d let X number of guests through from one side, then hold the line and do the same for the other side.
During normal middle-of-the-day operations, each party will usually get a Skyliner cabin to themselves.
I was worried that was the case here, as the line seemed to be moving really slowly, but it was all a matter of that merge. Cast Members at the station were loading cabins efficiently. Not to their full capacity maximum, but that can be unpleasantly crowded–and it’s difficult to group that well at this station.
Anyway, I was finally boarded the Skyliner at the Hourglass Lake station at 8:26 am. All told, it was a wait of ~30 minutes, which was worse than I’d ever experienced for Early Entry, even during the height of crowds plus physical distancing. (My previous high was under 25 minutes.)
My Early Entry plan for Toy Story Land was totally out the window at this point, regardless, but I was nevertheless concerned that I’d encounter another similarly-long line at the hub station at Disney’s Caribbean Beach Resort. The same guests would still be in front of me, plus another few thousand more from those rooms–a converging crowd and chaotic situation. Between this being peak spring break season, that’s what I was bracing myself for the worst upon exiting at CBR.
I was very happy to be wrong, and thankfully, this was not even remotely the case. To my surprise, there was almost no line on the DHS side, and EPCOT was well within its normal switchbacks. These lines were significantly shorter than I’ve experienced recently at Caribbean Beach’s hub…albeit around an hour earlier!
My best guess as to the explanation for this is that there are multiple stations and destinations here, thereby diluting crowds. On top of that, I was already late at this point, so I was probably behind the rush from CBR and Riviera. In any case, I was on the Skyliner bound for Disney’s Hollywood Studios by 8:32 am in a cabin all to myself. I’ll take it–small victory!
Another small victory is that I was through security at Disney’s Hollywood Studios by 8:40 am.
No line, no secondary screening–nothing. This put me inside the park only a few minutes later (it looks busy, but the entry process is smooth with fingerprint verification disabled), still with 20 minutes on the clock during Early Entry.
For those who are curious, this arrival time takes both Star Wars: Rise of the Resistance and Slinky Dog Dash off the table. For both of these headliners, if you’re on time for Early Entry, you’re late. And I wasn’t even on-time. By the time I made my way back to Toy Story Land, the line for Slinky Dog Dash was approaching the Woody marquee!
All of my best options at this point would’ve been secondary attractions in Star Wars: Galaxy’s Edge and Toy Story Land or (better yet) Sunset Boulevard. I could’ve knocked out both Rock ‘n’ Roller Coaster and Tower of Terror ahead of the regular rope drop rush.
Honestly, that might have been my best option no matter when I arrived. One of the things I’m trying to test is time saved starting at Sunset Boulevard versus the aforementioned headliners. Rock ‘n’ Roller Coaster is routinely a top 3 wait time in the park, not that far off from Slinky Dog Dash and Rise of the Resistance. And yet, it’s much less popular during Early Entry.
Point being, the play if you’re on time or slightly late to Early Entry at Disney’s Hollywood Studios is probably Rock ‘n’ Roller Coaster (potentially twice) and Tower of Terror for maximum time savings. (I’m not a fan of doing Mickey & Minnie’s Runaway Railway at this point.)
The flight is longer to EPCOT, but I’m guessing I still could’ve made it inside International Gateway by around 8:50 am. That would not have given me enough time to power walk to Guardians of the Galaxy: Cosmic Rewind, but it would’ve left Remy’s Ratatouille Adventure or maybe Frozen Ever After as options.
I haven’t tried doing the Rat Ride at the end of Early Entry, so I can’t speak to whether there’s a bit of a lull after the first wave of guests are processed, but I’m guessing there is not. Remy’s Ratatouille Adventure is still a really popular Early Entry destination even post-Cosmic Rewind getting a standby line.
Not only that, but there are still plenty of families who come through the front entrance of EPCOT and do Remy’s Ratatouille Adventure first. This results in a steady flow of guests doing Rat Ride throughout Early Entry. While I haven’t tested the actual wait times around 8:55 am, I’ve gotten off the ride around then and observed the continued influx.
Ultimately, just a warning if you’re planning to use the Skyliner for Early Entry at EPCOT or Disney’s Hollywood Studios to do Star Wars: Rise of the Resistance, Slinky Dog Dash, Remy’s Ratatouille Adventure, or Guardians of the Galaxy: Cosmic Rewind. You absolutely need to line up at or before the Skyliner officially opens. While I was still able to salvage my morning, it required pivoting from my original Toy Story Land plan, which would’ve been an awful idea as I was behind the wave of the crowd.
Obviously, I would’ve been in a much better position were I not running late. That’s my own fault and I knew I’d be cutting it close. But even at around 7:30 am when it first opened, the line was lengthy for the Skyliner, and probably around a 30 minute wait then, too. It might’ve even been longer depending on how many people lined up ahead of opening.
That would’ve put my arrival time at DHS at around 8:10 am or 8:20 at EPCOT, at the earliest. Those times are still pushing it for all of the aforementioned headliners–you definitely won’t be at or near the front of the pack! And if you aren’t near the front of the pack, it really calls into question whether you should start with Slinky Dog Dash, Rise of the Resistance, etc.
It’s unfortunate that Walt Disney World has pushed back the opening of the Skyliner to 7:30 am, as that clearly is insufficient, especially for Pop Century and Art of Animation due to the extra transfer. Honestly, based on my recent experiences with Early Entry at DHS, I’d also add that it’s a shame this park also isn’t opening earlier–but that’s another story for another post.
When it comes to arriving on time, walking from the Crescent Lake Resorts is still the optimal strategy for Early Entry at DHS or EPCOT since you’re in control of your own fate. (I don’t even like to take the FriendShip boats for Early Entry since they’re less predictable!) However, that’s not easily accomplishable unless you’re staying at those hotels. From the Hourglass Lake or Barefoot Bay Resorts, walking isn’t an option.
The main takeaway here should be that it’s necessary to be at the Hourglass Lake Skyliner station by 7:15 am or so in peak crowds, start with attractions other than these headliners, or spend extra by taking an Uber, Lyft, or Minnie Van from the Skyliner resorts. The gondola is a great way to start the day, but there’s not a huge margin for error if you’re trying to do one of the top 4 rides at DHS or EPCOT from Art of Animation or Pop Century Resorts.
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Your Thoughts
Have you used the Skyliner for Early Entry at EPCOT or Disney’s Hollywood Studios from the Hourglass Lake Value Resorts? What time did you arrive at the station? How long was the line? Were you still able to beat the crowds to Star Wars: Rise of the Resistance, Slinky Dog Dash, Cosmic Rewind, or Remy’s Ratatouille Adventure? What time did the Skyliner start operating when you did this? Would you recommend the Skyliner, or using Uber/Lyft? Do you agree or disagree with our assessment? Any questions? Hearing your feedback–even when you disagree with us–is both interesting to us and helpful to other readers, so please share your thoughts below in the comments!
I’m confused as to why you dropped your luggage off? you can leave it in your room and they will always come get it to transfer it to your next resort. that would have saved precious time 🙂
I am a little lost on what I should do! I’ve been hearing from my die hard Disney friends are saying the line at the skyliner is no big deal, that even if the line looks long it moves really quick. But now I’m panicking! I don’t want this to mess up my whole early entry plan! It is worth noting we have small children so BIG headliners like ROR are not on our list…we’d be rope dropping like Remy or Mickey and Minnie’s runaway train. We will be there April 25-30….I’m hoping maybe the crowds will have started to fizzle out?
Are they saying that about the lines at other stations, or here?
Because it’s true that the end of night EPCOT line, for example, moves pretty fast. The difference with the Hourglass Lake station is that you have TWO different really long lines converging into one, so it basically takes twice as long.
If you are staying at pop ot art, and you want to rope drop remy, you need to be lined up at 7. It sucks but if you wait till 7:30 plus you will get smoked. Everybody on skyliner knows that remy is the closest so they all go there first.
Stayed at Caribbean Beach. Got to skyliner line at 6:00. Got right to Epcot. Rope dropped Remy, waited in line for like 5 minutes and went right to Frozen and waited for 15 minutes or so. Did the same at Hollywood Studios two days. Rope dropped rise of the resistance and slinky dog. Be at the skyliner line at 5:50 and there should be no problems.
Yes, they all have stayed at POP or AOA and both have assured me if I get in line early, like 6:45, which was my plan, that I’d be totally fine and have nothing to worry about. But now I’m feeling like I do! We do want to rope I have done like so much research about all this it’s making me a little crazy haha but then I come across this post and now I feel like a wrench in all my plans.
So if we do plan to rope drop, is it really worth it to just get a Minnie van? Even if our Epcot rope drop plan is Remy? Even if our plan was to get in line early like 6:45? I’m happy to do it, but it feels so annoying because the perk of being at AOA was to use the skyliner!
We started at Art in February and Pop in March this year. Only waited in the Skyliner line once and decided from then on that it just doesn’t work from those resorts in the morning. Any other time of day, it’s a dream. but the Uber to Epcot or HS is definitely worth it. (Ok, if you’re trying to rope drop Remi, maybe not. But I think the walk from the front to Guardians or even Frozen is still better than the Skyliner line.)
Thanks Tom for this update on Early entry using the Skyliner. We will be going for Memorial Day Weekend (Celebrating Daughter’s HS Graduation & her pick to go here). Starting that Friday & we are staying at AoA Family Suite & I am cringing at the thought of what it’s going to be like. We NEVER go during Peak Holidays for this readon & the crowds, so Yay us! But we do plan on arriving early before Skyliner opens but it definitely would be nice if WDW opened it back up earlier. We may too miss some vital rides as we are reluctant to buy LL passes. I guess we’ll see what happens!!
Memorial Day is not a peak holiday by any definition. I go that week every year for my birthday and while weekend crowds are elevated, it’s nothing at all like what you see during peak Spring Break, Thanksgiving week, etc. There’s just not enough schools out yet to make it slammed and parents aren’t taking kids out that close to the end of the school year. Please do not panic.
What’s a mini mobile? I’ve had similar problems getting to early entry at a good time with other Disney transportation as well. Not cool when you’ve invested so much into your vacation.
I think that commenter meant Minnie Van. Or maybe Walt Disney World piloted family e-bikes and I missed the memo.
I’ve said this repeatedly, the per night cost difference between the All Stars and Pop/AoA can be applied to Uber/Lyft and Minnie Van rides when it counts. I love the skyliner but being picked up at your building and driven directly to the park beats any form of Disney transportation when it’s busy. The only fly in the ointment is the MK which requires a more expensive Minnie Van or a ride on the monorail or ferry.
If they don’t start the Skyliner service 30 minutes earlier again, I have this feeling PoP will lose its first place on your wdw hotel resort ranking.
We use Uber all the time to get to rope drop. It is the best way to all parks other than Magic Kingdom, and cost really isn’t much relative to overall cost of a Disney vacation.
Per my comment below, I’m sure there are many others in this boat! There’s a saying (maybe cliched now) that Uber/Lyft aren’t selling transportation, they’re selling time. And time has been increasingly commoditized at WDW through LLMP and LLSP, early entry, after hours, fee-based viewing areas, etc.
The idea that “time is money” isn’t a new concept but takes on a greater meaning in today’s theme park tourism landscape. It’s easier to ascribe value to the price of a ticket, a churro, or a t-shirt — even if they feel overpriced, that’s still based on objective numbers you can calculate and compare. But the price of an extra 30 minutes of sleep, or a 40% less stressful morning, the chance to do one more ride during a busy day, or spend 15 minutes less time waiting for your first attraction of the day….these are more nebulous.
I’m not trying to push more people to Uber/Lyft (they way these services are set up, having more people use them makes the fares and wait times go up for everyone!), though I’m surprised more people don’t take advantage of them. Again, I think a lot of people morally/philosophically don’t want to pay for something they can get for free. But while Disney provides free bus and Skyliner transportation, they don’t give time away for free. There’s the rub.
can anyone tell me what they paid for uber from POP to HS in the morning?
When I’ve done this, it’s been around $10. This is a pretty short drive and it’s rare for there to be surge pricing at this hour.
My experience is somewhat limited, but that should be in the ballpark barring price increases from Uber/Lyft.
If you have a car what time do they open the parking lot? We’re not against getting up early and taking the first bus but if buses are worse than 2022 (are they? Or are people more spoiled and feel like they need uber? Is bus transportation starting later than it used to as well at non skyliner resorts?) we might consider driving to HS and Epcot
So am I understanding that if we are staying at the Caribbean than none of this applies? We will be there next. Month.
Amy, all should be fine. Get to the skyliner station at 5:45. Get right on at 6 and to either Hollywood or Epcot and get right in line at thr park. We rope dropped plenty for early entry.
Amy, edit to previous. We stayed at Caribbean beach and had not roped drop issues.
Tom, per this post and some of the follow-up comments, I know you’ve written a lot about Uber/Lyft when it comes to airport transportation but I’d be interested in an “on-property” strategy guide given factors like the morning Skyliner situation and how the GOTG ride at Epcot changes the calculus for early entry International Gateway arrivals. (I’ve occasionally taken Ubers at WDW and I am a big fan given the relatively low cost compared to time saved and general comfort level vs. buses)
I would imagine a lot of folks would say “why am I paying for car when there’s free transportation from my resort?” but if people are willing to pay around $30 pp for the benefits of LLMP, then for a family of 2 to 4 people the per-person cost/benefit of taking an Uber/Lyft for early entry might even more valuable than LLMP (depending on where they’re staying).
However, I don’t actually know:
-How long are Uber/Lyft driver ETA/arrival times around 7:30 or 8am at various resorts?
-Is scheduling/reserving an Uber/Lyft an effective strategy?
-How much does a typical Uber/Lyft cost from various resorts (particularly around early entry time)?
-What’s the total travel time (including traffic, navigating to drop-off zones) for Uber/Lyft from various resorts?
I know the answers to the questions above include a lot of variability and come with no guarantees (one of the things people love and hate about Uber/Lyft). It would also be really difficult for any one person (even Tom!) to do statistically sound “on the ground research.” But I’d bet there are some generalities that could be defined based on anecdotal evidence, crowdsourcing, and any publicly available data.
This is a great idea, but it’s definitely a bit outside my comfort zone since my experience in this regard (rideshare at rope drop and Early Entry, specifically) is limited. It’s the kind of thing I’d need to crowdsource.
I’ll add it to the list and see what I can figure out.
Uber/Lyft is typically $10-15 between resorts and parks – I’ve commonly used them to get from offsite hotels to the parks, or parks to water-park & back (it takes multiple busses), or hotel->hotel for dining reservations.
The only park it doesn’t work well for is MK as you have to go to the TTC first – unless you take a minivan, but those cost a lot more.
Getting to the IG Epcot entrance can be tricky as the hotel gatekeepers don’t allow Uber drop offs unless you have a dining reservation.
I waited around 7 min for a Lyft when staying at Pop last August. I don’t rope drop, but we had breakfast reservations that we would not have made on time if we had to wait in the line. It was hundreds of people long.
My favorite application of Uber/Lyft is at the end of the night if busses are the only option. Those bus lines and cramped rides after a long day are always miserable, and it’s well worth the $ to take a rideshare. Epcot to Coronado is approx $12+tip. MK to Pop or CBR is regularly $15+tip.
It’s a shame that Pop and AofA charge a premium for being on the Skyliner, yet won’t spend the relatively small amount to start the service a much needed 30 minutes earlier.
Do you think the room refurbishment at Pop could put any meaningful dent in the morning rush, or are few enough rooms done at a time that it won’t make an impact?
Maybe a little, but probably not all that much. They’ll do it building by building, so that’s not all that much room inventory offline at any given moment. Maybe a 5-10% reduction across the two resorts.
Had a similar experience going from Pop Century to Epcot last January (although there didn’t seem to be ANY line on the AoA side – it looked like everyone was going to the Pop side). Got to Epcot 5 minutes before Early Entry ended. Waited about an hour for Ratatouille.
Rope dropped the Skyliner to DHS the next morning. Got there with 20 minutes to spare, but RotR and Runaway Railway both had delayed openings.
Which station would you recommend using when heading to Epcot from CRB for Early Entry? My assumption is the Rivera Station, but then I worry that the Skyliner would be full from those coming from the transfer station/value resorts. Would it be better to just get on at the Transfer station??
Unless you’re staying on that side of CBR, I recommend the slightly longer walk to the hub station. Cast Members are supposed to leave seats open for Riviera, but I don’t that (I mean, I do when it’s just me–a party of 1–but I wouldn’t do that with 3 people and a stroller).
This is a big reason why we recommend a room request at CBR: https://www.disneytouristblog.com/best-rooms-buildings-caribbean-beach-resort/
Thank you! That is what I figured as well….at least during early entry. Yes, we are all ready to make our room request for CRB. Finger crossed we get them.
I was at Pop Century the last week of February. We arrived at the Skyliner around 7:05 and I was shocked that the line was already incredibly long. I heard rumors while in line that it might open early at 7:15am but no such luck. I can’t remember exactly when we arrived at Hollywood Studios, but Rise of the Resistance, was down and Slinky Dog line was incredibly long. It was a tough beginning to our day, but at the end of the day my grandson rode Millennium Falcon 3 times. He loved it. Thanks for all your advice.
You’re welcome!
So long as you don’t want to start at RotR or SDD, this doesn’t matter that much. But for those two attractions, being at the front of the pack is almost essential.
I was at Pop for Princess weekend (Feb 20 – 24), which overlappsdwith February Vacation Week (many Northeast states) and Ski Week (west). I’ve stayed at Pop before this same weekend and never saw Early Entry Skyliner lines this bad before. Not opening the Skyliner until 7:30 had a huge impact, I think. And maybe people have wised up and arrived at the station earlier than before.
I noticed this back in late January 2024 when staying at Pop. Even around 7am the line for the Skyliner was already past my room (I was staying in the 60’s). We did get to Epcot and Studios before Early Entry officially began, but we were certainly far from the front of the pack. Not that it mattered on our Studios day, as we had a dreaded double-delayed opening for Rise and Slinky Dog. 😮
Uber wins for early entry for every park that you can’t walk to from your resort (except Magic Kingdom). It’s sad but true. I will say we’ve had good luck staying at CBR though using the Skyliner. I think the sheer number of rooms at Pop/AoA puts you at a disadvantage! If you are in Aruba you can just walk to the Riviera station if going to Epcot as well.
This was my experience back in January as well. Getting to and from Epcot was even worse with the wheelchair load broken – all the ECVs had to go in the regular line and they needed to stop the Skyliner for all of them (I’m not kidding when I say it was over 30 minutes from loading to getting to CBR). I’m hoping it’s at least a little better for my May trip!
We stayed at Pop in Feb 2023 and decided the pre early entry rope drop line for the skyliner was too long, and drove to DHS instead. I can’t remember the hours exactly, but we tried to line up before rope drop (because I know we made rope drop even with walking to our car, driving, and parking). The back of the line was by the bowling pins in the 1950s.
Had a similar experience in February at AOA. First morning I arrived at the line at 7:15 (skyliner started at 7:30) and didn’t get into a car until 8. Missed rope drop. Next day, got in line at 7:00 and was even further back! Uber’d to HS in less then 10 minutes. Used to love AOA and Pop for the skyliner, but definitely not a rope drop option any longer.
Not surprised this happened during February, as winter has become incredibly high occupancy, but still…yikes!
I would not have guessed you’d have a 45 minute wait time at 7:15 am…or be worse off at 7 am. I don’t want to do more Skyliner testing as this really ruins my Early Entry options, but looks like I need to. Thanks for sharing–hopefully other readers provide more data points.
I was there last weekend. Stayed at the pop. Was planning on using Skyline to rope drop international gateway, hollywood and use it in the evenings to get back to pop. Got out to skyline at 7:00 a.m. and line was so long we decided to take a mini mobile to Beach club and walk over. First time staying at pop and I was disappointed at how late the sky line opened and how long the lines were to get on in the morning. Ended up using Mini mobiles the entire trip. Only time i found it worth using was during mid day to switch parks or go back to pop. .
how much did uber cost?
how much was your uber to HS?