TRON Lightcycle Run Virtual Queue Ending!

For the first time in over 2 years, Walt Disney World is dropping a virtual queue instead of adding one! TRON Lightcycle Run will discontinue its boarding group system and switch to standby soon. This post shares official announcement details, plus our commentary about Magic Kingdom finally dropping one of its two VQs.

The last time Walt Disney World dropped a virtual queue for a ride was a few months after the opening of Remy’s Ratatouille Adventure. (Yes, it’s been that long.) That change came only a few months after Disney’s Hollywood Studios “paused” the virtual queue for Star Wars: Rise of the Resistance. That pause, thankfully, turned out to be permanent.

Given how promptly the virtual queue for Remy’s Ratatouille Adventure was ended, we were optimistic about Guardians of the Galaxy: Cosmic Rewind doing likewise. After all, that virtual queue wasn’t strictly necessary to manage crowds by late Summer 2022. And yet, here we are over two years later, and it’s still in use. But that’s another story for another day…

For now, Walt Disney World has announced that starting September 9, 2024, a standby queue will be available at TRON Lightcycle / Run presented by Enterprise. A virtual queue will be in place for TRON Lightcycle Run from now through September 8, 2024.

During this time, guests can request to enter the virtual queue no more than once per day during regular park hours. Notably, both TRON Lightcycle Run and Tiana’s Bayou Adventure currently use virtual queues, and you cannot be in both simultaneously. Meaning that you potentially have to make a hard choice about which to pick.

There are 2 daily opportunities to request to join the virtual queues for TRON Lightcycle / Run or Tiana’s Bayou Adventure:

  • 7:00 AM (Guests do not need to be in Magic Kingdom to join the virtual queue at this time)
  • 1:00 PM (Guests must have entered Magic Kingdom to join the virtual queue at this time)

Please be aware that as of September 9, 2024, the virtual queue will no longer be available for TRON Lightcycle Run.

Extended Evening Theme Park Hours

An opportunity to request to join the virtual queue will be available at 6:00 PM for TRON Lightcycle Run on select dates through September 8, 2024, during extended evening theme park hours—a benefit for registered Guests staying at a Disney Deluxe Resort, Disney Deluxe Villa Resort or other select hotels.

After this, TRON Lightcycle Run will use a standby line during Extending Evening Hours, too.

As noted above, Tiana’s Bayou Adventure is still using a virtual queue for its “initial opening period.” While a standby queue will not be available during the attraction’s initial opening days, Walt Disney World expects to open a standby line soon after the attraction’s opening.

That’s what Walt Disney World said when first announcing the opening date and details for Tiana’s Bayou Adventure back in May. Disney’s language at the time strongly suggested Tiana’s Bayou Adventure wouldn’t have a virtual queue for nearly as long as any other ride at Walt Disney World. In fact, we predicted it would be dropped by July 8. That was almost two months ago.

What we didn’t predict–and what no one could’ve predicted–was that the reimagined ride would have so many reliability and downtime woes. It is somehow much, much worse than Splash Mountain. Don’t even get me started on Tiana’s Bayou Adventure’s issues. After encountering repeated headaches with that during the course of field testing last week, I’m at my wits’ end with that attraction. Another story for another day, though.

Suffice to say, Tiana’s Bayou Adventure absolutely needs to continue using a virtual queue at this point. It is not the same as TRON or Cosmic Rewind, and I think fans underestimate just how much more frustrating it would be with a traditional standby line during daily ops. Which is really saying something because, again, it’s very frustrating right now!

As for why TRON Lightcycle Run is dropping its virtual queue before Guardians of the Galaxy: Cosmic Rewind, which opened almost a full year earlier, my gut is that it comes down to two virtual queues in Magic Kingdom and resulting complaints and guest satisfaction.

Right now, it’s very difficult to score boarding passes for both attractions due to the downtime at Tiana’s Bayou Adventure. Even if you have fast fingers and are excellent at scoring low boarding groups (thus enabling you, in theory, to be done with one before 1 pm), you’re at the mercy of TBA downtime. (Ask me how I know!!!)

Compounding matters is that Lightning Lane Single Pass is Selling Out Faster and that Tiana’s Bayou Adventure is the firm #1 pick on our list of the Top 10 Toughest Lightning Lanes at Walt Disney World. This means that many/most guests are left with no same-day option for doing both Tiana’s Bayou Adventure and TRON Lightcycle Run. It’s ridiculous, and a problem EPCOT doesn’t have right now.

To be clear, this is absolutely not a defense of the virtual queue at Cosmic Rewind–please don’t read it that way. Rather, it’s an indictment of the abysmal system that’s been in use at Magic Kingdom for the last couple months. Dropping the virtual queue at TRON Lightcycle Run is thus a big step in the right direction.

TRON Lightcycle Run switching to standby has huge strategic ramifications for rope drop and Early Entry, as well as the end of the night and even Extended Evening Hours. The big one, for us, is the morning.

We’ve been saying for years now that Magic Kingdom is the worst park for Early Entry. The combination of the 9 a.m. opening plus a limited ride roster plus Walt Disney World’s most popular park is a recipe for crowds and surprisingly long lines. I’ll have a full report soon, but suffice to say, my most recent Early Entry test runs only went okay–and that was despite low crowds during the day at MK.

There are a few possible fixes for this, but the most realistic one is running TRON Lightcycle Run during Early Entry. Once it drops the virtual queue, it should operate during Early Entry since it’s in Tomorrowland. Although it would induce some added demand, I’d hazard a guess that the extra capacity would be a net positive, relieving pressure on Seven Dwarfs Mine Train and Space Mountain. That extra 30 minutes also means more guests could ride over the course of the day. It’s a win-win move.

Of course, Walt Disney World hasn’t announced anything beyond dropping the virtual queue for TRON Lightcycle Run, so we don’t want to get ahead of ourselves. We’ll have more thorough strategy updates once more is actually announced or the standby line debuts.

As is well-documented in our many posts, our perspective on virtual queues has evolved over time. In large part, this was motivated by Star Wars: Rise of the Resistance improving its reliability and uptime, meaning guests in the standby queue were less likely to endure a breakdown. (Tiana’s Bayou Adventure is just like RotR was in 2019-2021.)

The shift to a standby line for Star Wars: Rise of the Resistance was largely vindicated. Although it still has too much downtime, it’s more or less on the outer bounds of what’s acceptable. Same goes for Remy’s Ratatouille Adventure, which isn’t even above average in terms of ride breakdowns. (They do happen, just not as often as RotR or TBA.)

Suffice to say, it’s hard to see any reason why TRON Lightcycle Run still “needs” a virtual queue so long after its initial launch season. The attraction has plenty of queue space, and it’s not like the virtual queue is being used to keep wait times down–because of how aggressive they are in calling boarding groups, there line is still routinely over an hour long.

Cosmic Rewind is a bit of a different beast since there is less physical queue space, but they installed overflow outside (complete with umbrellas!) last summer, and it’s just been sitting there since. As mentioned above, it stopped “needing” a virtual queue only a few months after it debuted, so back around late Summer 2022.

In our view, virtual queues are guest unfriendly and should only be used when absolutely necessary. Whenever they can be dropped, they should be dropped. It is patently obvious to me that the VQ can be dropped at not just TRON Lightcycle Run, but also Guardians of the Galaxy: Cosmic Rewind. Again, Tiana’s Bayou Adventure is a different story for now–its VQ is needed at least until the reliability problems are fixed or the winter off-season arrives.

As Walt Disney World has undertaken initiatives to simplify and improve the guest experience, eliminating the remaining virtual queues seems like an obvious next-step. And I say all of this as someone who selfishly likes virtual queues because they give me (and other knowledgeable, frequent guests) an advantage over the average visitors. But I also recognize that what’s good for me is not always good for the park-going public.

The thing is that ride capacity is a zero-sum game. If the virtual queue is filling up with a bunch of APs and locals who would skip a triple-digit standby wait, those spots are coming at the expense of someone else. The losers in this scenario are likely disproportionately first-timers and other low-knowledge or technology-averse guests.

Whereas these people often are oblivious to virtual queues or are unsuccessful at joining, many of them are able or more inclined to wait in a long standby line. The balking point is higher for them–they’ve never done the ride, so their tolerance for lines or threshold for waiting is higher than the average AP who skips any standby line that’s over 30 minutes.

First-timers or infrequent visitors are the very demographics that, in my opinion even as a biased and self-interested AP, Walt Disney World should be favoring. It’s better for the sake of guest satisfaction and creating new fans to make things easier for these people, and removing one layer of friction.

This is doubly true when it comes to newer attractions that are the focus of marketing campaigns. There are people who have booked trips after seeing ads for Cosmic Rewind or TRON Lightcycle Run…who haven’t been able to ride because they failed at the virtual queue, or didn’t understand how to ‘play’ in the first place. Or maybe those are just the rides they really, really want to experience over and over again–in which case, they should be able to do so if they’re willing to endure multiple 100+ minute waits. That should be their choice!

As most of us have complained about the amount of screen time and overreliance on technology in visiting Walt Disney World, we should likewise continue to support the retirement of virtual queues. They may benefit us on an individual level, but are bad on a holistic level.

Overall and in aggregate, virtual queues are a negative for the guest experience–and one that leads to more complaints and opportunities for disappointment that has no potential resolution. Virtual queues add yet another unnecessary layer of friction and make things overwhelming and intimidating for inexperienced and older guests.

As such, we applaud the end of the virtual queue at TRON Lightcycle Run in Magic Kingdom. It should’ve happened a full year ago, but better late than never. Next up, Guardians of the Galaxy: Cosmic Rewind. I don’t care what the operational excuse is for keeping that 2 years longer than necessary–it’s a bad one and also needs to go.

When Walt Disney World has removed virtual queues in the past, a subset of fans has complained that they’ve done so out of “greed” and as a way to push Lightning Lane sales. Ironically, another subset has complained that this is what virtual queues do. There really is no pleasing everyone.

For our part, we are skeptical that Lightning Lane sales have any bearing on virtual queues. If they did, more attractions would add or remove them, as the case may be. With the benefit of hindsight from the Star Wars: Rise of the Resistance change, it’s safe to say that was/is not the driving motivation. Lightning Lanes sell out for most attractions on a daily basis, regardless–it doesn’t appear that the virtual queue changes the calculus for prospective buyers one way or the other.

As for the motivations of moving it from a virtual queue to standby, my guess is that this is once again a matter of guest satisfaction. Virtual queues are exceedingly unpopular with guests, who find them counterintuitive and are surprised to arrive and find they do not have the option of standing in line.

Not everything is a conspiracy or done by Disney with ulterior motives to make even more money. That’s not just a cynical perspective, but one that makes our collective voice as fans easier to ignore. If we complain about everything, there’s no point in the company listening to us.

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YOUR THOUGHTS

What do you think of this news that Walt Disney World will end of the TRON Lightcycle Run virtual queue? Do you agree or disagree with this change? Any questions we can help you answer? Hearing your feedback–even when you disagree with us–is both interesting to us and helpful to other readers, so please share your thoughts below in the comments!

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23 Comments

  1. First time back to WDW after 7 years and my first reaction was anger over all the queue complexity and costs. But after a lot of reading and pondering, I arrived at similar conclusions as this post… the park seems to be trying to do it’s best to balance the experience for low-knowledge people that just want to show up and have fun, with others that like to hyper plan. I used to be rewarded for my 180 day in advance fast pass planning, but I can sympathize with people that don’t want to do that for a vacation. The new methods seem most targeted at balance over just monetization… it’s complicated because they’re trying to engineer a compromise for the whole spectrum of visitors. Thanks for the thoughtful post. You write great, thoughtful posts!

  2. Why not bring back Fast Passes??
    They worked great. No cost & gave you a designated time to return. I hate these new ways outside of standby. Costly or just plain frustrating as the VQ.
    Good grief. The admission tickets alone have gotten outrageous. Disney has taken away so many free benefits & charging for them now. Its ridiculous. Of course it’s another way to gouge the guests. Now, familis have to practically go into debt to visit, unless you’ve got thousands upon thousands of cash just lying around. Is this what Walt Disney had in mind of his visions of a “happy place” or a “magical place?” I THINK NOT!
    Doubt I’ll get an answer.

  3. Tom, all this talk of LLs,VQs, rope drops, strategies, multipasses, etc has me not even looking forward to Disney parks any more!! We are planning a 4-family trip that includes 5 children from 3 to 12 years. Imagine the cost of LLs or multi-passes for 16 people!! We are experienced out-of-country Disney fans with over 20 trips with kids and grandkids. We flatly refuse to spend time on our phones all day to schedule additional-paid rides that we still have to wait for. We remember the free fast passes and how enjoyable the parks were because of them! But the cost of these additional line-skipping extras is just a money-grab. Sadly, we have decided to cut our Disney days to only 2 parks. Universal is far more affordable, and so is Busch Gardens, Sea World, and LegoLand. If we are spending additional money anyway, we would rather spend it at Universal’s new Epic Universe. Sorry Disney…

    1. I’m not from out of the country, but I definitely agree with your comment. Disney is definitely pricing themselves way too high. Took away free fast passes & many other complimentary things that has caused headaches, time & money. Its gotten to be less worth it.
      Who wants to constantly be on their phone to access rides? Can’t fully enjoy the parks anymore. It’s become a job in planning & navigating everything using cell phones.

    2. I’m not from out of the country, but I definitely agree with your comment. Disney is definitely pricing themselves way too high. Took away free fast passes & many other complimentary things that has caused headaches, time & money. Its gotten to be less worth it.
      Who wants to constantly be on their phone to access rides? Can’t fully enjoy the parks anymore. It’s become a job in planning & navigating everything using cell phones. I’ve spent more time on my phone inside the parks than I care to count. Being up before 7 to get in a VQ on time is very unsettling. Creates some anxiety.

  4. Hi Tom,
    Love your blog! Random question…does Disney put out any deals for May? I’m going with my daughter at that time (I usually go in September and take advantage of those deals), and just wondering?

    Thanks,
    CL

  5. We just got back from our first WDW trip in 5 years and I was… frustrated (to put it mildly) by the VQ’s. I would certainly categorize myself as a high-information WDW visitor and I STILL had trouble joining VQ’s – Guardians specifically. While we eventually did join all 3 VQ’s over the course of our trip, the experience afterwards was terrible. 1) Guardians was loading cars half-full (!?!?) 2) The wait after scanning into the queue was 90 mins for both TBA and Tron (!!!) It was hard not to be salty at the endless stream of LL users moving ahead of us while we waited for TBA and Tron. The VQ’s in this case didn’t “solve” any problems because the waits were still high… it just masked that problem by not advertising the wait time and letting people join a standby queue. The vibe we got the entire trip was that Disney only cares about you if you pay for upgrades (LL) and “normal” visitors can go pound sand. Disney is obviously a for-profit company and always has been… but man… they didn’t used to be so obvious about shaking you upside down until the coins fall out of your pockets. I still love Disney and am excited at all they have announced being built in the next 5 years but it’s hard to justify going back again with all the guest unfriendly policies. We might give them another 5 (or more) years to sort some stuff out… vote with our wallets as they say.

  6. I’m happy they are dropping virtual queue. Being able to do stand by helps with planning our day. We were at MK the first week of August and missed out on Tron 7:00 am drop (got Tiana’s) but were able to snag one at 1:00 pm drop. Naturally, our estimated call back time conflicted with our planned break back at the hotel. So we had a shorter break and still had about an hour wait once we returned. We also got a boarding group at the 6:00 drop for extended evening hours and of course the return time was right at the start of the extended evening hours, which meant over an hour of the that time was sucked up by one ride. I would have preferred to be able to do stand by on our terms, it actually ended up wasting more park time for us being forced to use virtual queue.

  7. I’m definitely nervous because we’re going to MK and the Halloween Party on September 10th for my birthday, so it will still be a fairly new change. This is the first time staying off property because we’re going with friends, so no early entry. I’m hopeful that we’ll ride it during the Halloween party. It’s very cool at night!

  8. Did I miss something-is it going to be included then in the multi-pass or become an ILL? I was great at snagging them so VQs didn’t bother me but it’s true that many aren’t so lucky and that could mean an entire “miss” on something they really wanted to experience.

    1. It will presumably be just like Seven Dwarves where your choices are Lightening Lane Single Pass or Standby. No chance they will give up the extra money from the single pass and add this to multipass 🙂

    2. Tron has been an ILL attraction for quite a while now (maybe ever since it opened?). Dropping the VQ for Tron should have no impact whatsoever on how buying ILL has worked for Iron in the past and also going forward. Hope that helps!

  9. I agree with your analysis, especially that I don’t think this is a ploy either way on selling LL’s. What it comes down to is the unfairness of having two VQs in a single park–that vast majority of people will be unable to ride both rides in a given day no matter how long they are willing to wait. Additionally, Magic Kingdom needed this to improve their rope drop. MK’s rope drop is already the worst of the 4 parks because it is confined to Fantasyland and Tomorrowland. Something needed to be done about the mad dash to Seven Dwarves. Now the rope drop crowds can split up a bit.

  10. This is exciting in that hopefully it will help redistribute at least some of the rope drop crowd possibly reducing the morning Mine Train shuffle and maybe make it less miserable to rope drop 7DMT and Fantasyland in general. Also looking forward to the option to ride more than once per day without having to pay extra, even though it means standing in line. Hoping Guardians follows this path soon as well for that reason.

  11. Excited for Tron rope drop! I have not loved space mountain my recent trips. The jerkiness has gotten harder to handle as I got older so I am
    Excited for a new rope drop option besides 7 dwarves.

    1. Great point! I hadn’t considered how this would impact rope drop, but it seems like it will help spread people around more and make early entry for resort guests more worthwhile.

  12. I despise the entire concept of the virtual queue, especially after my son traveling from Texas to WDW when ROTR opened. He lost out on the VQ and was stuck with a reservation at Hollywood for the day. They should 100% limit the sale of single lightning lanes so that the stand by queues don’t come to a stand still. If a person wants to wait in a 3 hour line to ride a re-skin of Splash, more power to them.

  13. Haha, it’s not even remotely a difficult choice, Tron every time over the Ruins of Splash. Hell, it’s not even a choice at all…

  14. Wondering if this will free up space in other queues around the park because waiting virtually meant you could be in two places at once.

    1. Yeah but now that it’s on standby it’s open to abuse by all the DAS people double-dipping. One big advantage of VQ is that there’s no massive advantage to DAS.

    1. We are traveling there for the Halloween party the week of Oct. 20th. I rode Tron last year and it was the most uncomfortable ride I’ve ever ridden. Note that I’m a cyclist who rides 50-100 miles a week and am in pretty good shape. That bike hurt my chest. I’ll ride it again, but only in the last car with “normal” seating.

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