New DVC Cabins Coming to Fort Wilderness Campground at Disney World
Walt Disney World has announced plans to expand the Fort Wilderness Resort & Campground by bringing reimagined cabins to the property. In this post, we’ll share details and a timeline, share our opinion of the DVC expansion and why this is likely happening. (Updated December 13, 2023.)
For those who are unfamiliar with it, Fort Wilderness offers approximately 800 campsites and over 400 cabins along with a wide range of recreational options. While Fort Wilderness is only a short boat ride from Magic Kingdom (behind Disney’s Contemporary Resort and “next door” to Wilderness Lodge), it feels worlds away. The sprawling ‘resort’ is situated on 750 acres of pine and cypress forest, giving the campground a ‘buffer’ between it and the rest of Walt Disney World.
Fort Wilderness is a Walt Disney World original, opening back in 1971 a little over a month after Magic Kingdom. Similar to how Contemporary was as an extension of Tomorrowland and Polynesian of Adventureland, Fort Wilderness was a counterpart to Frontierland–a way to stay in the American frontier. The campground debuted with 232 campsites as well as Tri Circle D Ranch, which was built for horses in the parades at Magic Kingdom. Fort Wilderness has not changed much since then. It does have many more campsites, cabins, and one fewer railroad–but the vibe is largely unchanged since I started staying at Fort Wilderness in the 1980s.
Against that backdrop, Walt Disney World and Disney Vacation Club announced proposed plans to bring refreshed cabin hideaways to Disney’s Fort Wilderness Resort & Campground, offering guests a private retreat in the midst of nature with many of the comforts of home.
“For more than 50 years, Disney’s Fort Wilderness Resort & Campground has offered guests the opportunity to explore nature with their loved ones while staying in the heart of Walt Disney World Resort,” said Bill Diercksen, senior vice president and general manager of Disney Vacation Club. “We’re excited to continue to build upon the resort’s rich legacy and elevate the cabin experience for our Members and all guests to enjoy for years to come.”
December 13, 2023 Update: Disney Vacation Club has shared new details about the Cabins at Fort Wilderness. This started with them “accidentally” spilling the beans last week during the 2023 Condo Association Meeting (air quotes around accidentally since it was in a slideshow, and that was obviously made on purpose–even if the company wasn’t ready to provide an official update on the project).
During that, VP of DVC Bill Diercksen shared a slideshow with new images of the new Cabins at Fort Wilderness Cabins. He indicated that Chip ‘n’ Dale will be featured on the pull-out bed, and that there will be Easter Eggs with nods to Fort Wilderness and Walt Disney World history. (We saw a lot of that in the new rooms at Boulder Ridge, too.)
Most notably, Diercksen shared that the Cabins at Fort Wilderness will open in Summer 2024. We discuss below how this timeline makes sense despite work not even having started, but regardless, it does. This also means that sales will start very soon–before the Polynesian tower–probably by March 2024.
Today, Walt Disney World officially confirmed these details and released concept art showcasing the interiors of the new Cabins at Fort Wilderness. Each cabin sleeps up to 6, and some can even accommodate dogs. All offer a restful retreat with charming touches and many conveniences.
Each morning you can draw the curtains back to reveal floor-to-ceiling windows and your own personal patio deck, where you can bask in the glories of nature while firing up the charcoal grill and dining al fresco.
In the main bedroom, you’ll find a queen-size bed, twin-size bunk beds, a 55-inch TV, closet and a nightstand. This is a pretty similar setup to the current Fort Wilderness Cabins.
Through the sconce-flanked front doors is a spacious living area featuring a dining nook and a fully equipped kitchen—including a refrigerator, dishwasher, convection/microwave oven and 2 countertop burners.
The kitchen includes plenty of storage, as well as a kitchen table capable of seating all 6 occupants of the cabin. Off the kitchen you’ll find a vanity area outside the entrance to the bathroom, which has a shower and an additional vanity inside.
A convertible seating and sleeping area is located opposite the kitchen and boasts a 65-inch TV and a comfortable sofa—the perfect spot to gather your family to watch a favorite Disney movie. At bedtime, simply fold down the queen-size Inova bed from the wall, for added sleeping space.
I’m guessing fan feedback is going to be very mixed on these, since they’re a mix of modern and rustic and use more muted colors. And we can certainly understand that to some degree. But like a lot of other recent room designs, these strike us as a good marriage of form and function, and look like major upgrades in terms of usability.
Stated differently: I’d rather actually stay in these cabins than the old ones. As that’s the most important thing about accommodations, we’re looking forward to these new Cabins at Fort Wilderness. For us, the jury is still out as to whether we prefer the style of these. We absolutely love the idea of more windows allowing for light and views of the wilderness outdoors. We also like the artwork in both the bunkbeds and the Inova pull-down.
With that said, I’m also a bit on the fence about the theme and details–it reminds me more of the Copper Creek style (a bit of a hodgepodge) rather than the fantastic new Boulder Ridge Villas, if that makes sense. Hopefully DVC sticks the landing and includes even detail and thematic flourishes to tip the scales in the right direction.
The plans to expand Fort Wilderness with a Disney Vacation Club addition call for more than 350 new cabins to replace the existing cabins at the resort, which have delighted guests for many years and will soon be ready for a refresh. Additionally, the cabins would be built with an eye toward the environment, utilizing the footprint of the existing cabins and taking advantage of more energy-efficient features.
Design concepts offer a fresh take on the current cabin experience and are inspired by the resort’s idyllic setting, while also paying homage to the resort’s unique culture and heritage through the magic of Disney storytelling. Each stand-alone cabin offers spacious accommodations, sleeping up to six adults, and features a bedroom, bathroom, living room, full kitchen and private patio. A select number of cabins are also expected to be dog-friendly.
As with all Disney Vacation Club resorts, the cabins will continue to be open for reservations to all guests, including those who are not Disney Vacation Club Members, subject to availability. A small percentage of the property will be retained by Walt Disney World and not part of the DVC inventory–just like all DVC resorts. Accordingly, it will likely be difficult to book these cabins for cash guests, and they’re likely to be both more expensive and excluded from discounts.
The planned cabins are part of a collection of improvement projects underway at Disney’s Fort Wilderness Resort & Campground that are designed to enhance the guest experience. Examples include proposed pool and walking trail enhancements as well as new expanded dining experiences at Trail’s End Restaurant and Crockett’s Tavern, with more exciting news to come.
Disney Vacation Club members and guests would have easy access to the theme parks and be able to enjoy the resort’s cherished amenities, including horseback riding at the recently updated Tri-Circle-D Ranch, fishing, walking trails, pools, playgrounds for the little ones, Chip ’n’ Dale’s Campfire Sing-A-Long and rootin’ tootin’ dining and entertainment at Hoop-Dee-Doo Musical Revue. Campsite accommodations will also continue to be available for guests.
The Cabins at Disney’s Fort Wilderness Resort – A Disney Vacation Club Resort is projected to open in 2024 and would be the 17th Disney Vacation Club resort. Additional information regarding project details, the start of sales and rental bookings will be released at a later date.
Walt Disney World has filed a new construction permit with the State of Florida to begin construction work on the new Cabins at Fort Wilderness. There are a few interesting things about this permit, with the first being that it has an extended expiration date. Normally, the permit would expire in one year–for this, Disney has specified a date of May 1, 2025.
Second, because the contractor on the permit is J&J Venture Group. This is a recently formed entity with no track record of doing work for Walt Disney World. However, a quick search of Sunbiz reveals that it has the same officers and address of JCQ Services, which has done several room overhauls for Walt Disney World. So the former is probably a subsidiary or shell of the latter.
Finally, as discussed in our updated post on Reflections – A Disney Lakeside Lodge, there has also been permit activity with that project. It’s possible that this is related to staging for the new DVC Cabins, but based on other rumblings, we believe there’s much more than a nonzero chance that Walt Disney World is preparing to resume work on the Reflections site.
One thing to note is that the cabins will not be simply refurbished/reimagined, nor will new ones be constructed on-site. Instead, these are entirely new prefabbed units that will be built off-site, trucked in, and installed unit-by-unit. That explains how the design is differing substantially and will incorporate lessons learned from the old cabins and DVC member accommodation preferences. A lot has changed in the years since the cabins debuted, and Disney has gotten room layouts down to a science. The use of space and practicality of these cabins will almost certainly be better.
The Cabins at Disney’s Fort Wilderness Resort – A Disney Vacation Club Resort being prefabbed off-site also explains the Summer 2024 opening date. The “construction” timeframe here will be measured in days, not weeks or months, which is how these will be able to go on sale and open before the Poly tower, despite nothing having happened yet.
Another interesting tidbit is that the current Cabins at Fort Wilderness remain bookable for the duration of next year–you can still go to the DisneyWorld.com website and make a reservation for late December 2024. This is curious, but not necessarily conclusive of anything. Now that we know the new cabins will start opening in Summer 2024, this either means that the project will take until at least the end of the year, or that these new cabins are already bookable–that guests making reservations for the holidays will be assigned to them. (Might be smart to book now before the inevitable price increases in 2025!)
Turning back to our original commentary, I’ll start by saying that I’m stunned by the timing of this announcement. In addition to these cabins, the New DVC Tower at Disney’s Polynesian Village Resort is currently under construction and is currently slated to open in late 2024 at Walt Disney World. Based on the incredibly quick pace with which that expansion is being built, there’s no reason to believe it’ll be delayed.
That means that Walt Disney World will have two new Disney Vacation Club additions in 2024, both of which are Magic Kingdom area resorts. On top of that, DVC will almost certainly still be selling Disney’s Riviera Resort. That totals 2 resorts in the Magic Kingdom area and one in the EPCOT/Skyliner area.
Oh, and don’t forget the Villas at Disneyland Hotel and Aulani in Hawaii, which still has not sold out. That is an absolutely unprecedented amount of inventory simultaneously for sale, and it comes amidst a Disney Vacation Club Sales Slump. It might also come as the U.S. economy enters a recession. Who knows.
My next thought is that this finally realizes rumors of a Moderate Resort DVC expansion, which started years ago before Disney’s Riviera Resort was announced. (The categorization has never really made sense, but Fort Wilderness is technically a Moderate Resort. It’s totally incomparable to other resorts, and we’ve previously placed the Cabins at Fort Wilderness in the same grouping as the Family Suites at Art of Animation.)
In fact, this new tier of DVC probably the best way to explain how Disney Vacation Club plans to sell this alongside Riviera and Polynesian. It’s highly probable that this is aimed at a different demographic, and will be a more economical alternative to the aforementioned resorts.
We certainly do not expect the Cabins at Fort Wilderness to hit the $230 per point of the Villas at Disneyland Hotel. Our guess is that this DVC resort will come in at a sub-$200 price point below where Disney’s Riviera Resort started selling back in 2019. (Anyone expecting a bargain priced below $150 per point had better think again.)
Even if the per point cost is still in the ballpark of other new DVC resorts, the point charts will almost certainly be more favorable. That will mean fewer points need to be purchased as compared to the Poly, Grand Floridian, or Riviera. No matter how you slice it, the average financial outlay for buyers of the Cabins at Fort Wilderness will be lower.
I could see this having an average entry point of around $30,000 for new members, whereas those resorts might be closer to $40,000. Whether that’s due to a lower per-point cost, smaller contract sizes, or a combination of the two, remains to be seen.
It’ll be interesting to see if Disney Vacation Club introduces new restrictions aimed at avoiding unintended consequences of having a Moderate Resort DVC. We doubt that’ll be necessary, as the per point cost likely won’t be that much different from other existing Disney Vacation Club resorts.
What’s totally unsurprising is that Walt Disney World is opting to swap out the current cabins for ‘enhanced’ Disney Vacation Club accommodations. It’s a fairly common tactic for the company to target hotel inventory that’s underperforming and convert it to DVC. This improves occupancy for the remaining hotel inventory by reducing its net number of rooms, and gives Disney Vacation Club something to sell. (It’s a similar story with Copper Creek; Wilderness Lodge is now performing much better, but at the time, occupancy was weak.)
Despite Fort Wilderness as a whole having a very vocal and passionate fanbase, the existing cabins are not particularly popular. There’s routinely availability here when the campsites are sold out, and there are frequently more aggressive discounts for the cabins. Like Olivia’s or Sanaa, these accommodations have a loyal fan following–but also are routinely offered to Cast Members at 40% off.
In fact, this isn’t the first time in the last decade that Walt Disney World will be reducing the number of cabins. Back during the last soft goods refurbishment (in 2016-2017), Disney removed the cabins in the 2100 Loop to add more campsites. Even after that, occupancy is lower for the cabins than the campground as a whole.
Personally, I have mixed feelings about the style of the DVC cabins. It’s still early and we only have a single piece of concept art, so it’s premature for a fully-formed opinion. However, there’s a lot that can be inferred from the concept art and recent precedent. With that in mind, I’ll begin with the positives.
I love the large windows that will allow a lot of natural light and nice views out into nature. While nice updates from what was there before, the current cabins are dark and dreary, and don’t lean into their natural surroundings all that well. I’m a huge proponent of windows, and indoor-outdoor living. These should be a significant improvement on that front.
Additionally, it’s safe to say that the interiors will be better. Say what you will about recent resort reimaginings, but it’s very difficult to criticize room redesigns from a functional perspective. Personally, I think Disney has been crushing it since Riviera Resort, and the current ‘wave’ of innovative accommodations that marry space-saving styles with well-themed ones is perfect. Just contrast the new rooms at Boulder Ridge with those only a few years earlier at Copper Creek–the former are far superior to the latter in every conceivable way.
Now, the negative. The exterior of these cabins does look like the design frankenstein of an HGTV personality and a Gensler designer. It looks too on-trend, leaning into she-shed, tiny home, and shabby chic styles. A bit like the worst of the Copper Creek interiors with the Reflections and new Poly tower exteriors. Hopefully, the end result looks better or the interior is so good (and on par with Boulder Ridge) that it doesn’t matter. On balance, I’ll admit that I’m cautiously optimistic about the look of the cabins. My prediction is that these will be better than the current cabins, but we shall see.
Beyond that, my biggest concern is that adding Disney Vacation Club will irreparably change the character of Fort Wilderness. Although there’s nothing in the announcement to suggest this will occur, it seems like a given–and one that’ll be necessary as a practical reality. It’s also somewhat apparent from the subtext discussing expanded dining and “more exciting news to come.”
Walt Disney World knows how this change is going to be received by diehard Fort Fiends. There’s a reason the announcement came buried among Halfway to Halloween news, and why certain details are highlighted and others are omitted. The company is trying to ease fans into the development, focusing on the perceived positives and trying to minimize the negatives.
There’s one simple reason that Fort Wilderness is almost certain to change in a way that won’t be well-received by its longtime fans: demographics. Assuming the per point price is $185 and the average contract is 160 points, that puts the upfront cost right at $30,000 for the Cabins at Disney’s Fort Wilderness Resort – A Disney Vacation Club Resort.
I don’t want to make any unfair assumptions, but I think it’s probably safe to say that the average regular at Fort Wilderness is not the target audience for a $30,000 timeshare. This isn’t to say that Fort Wilderness guests are less affluent than the average visitor. I know that is not the case, I’ve seen some of those tricked-out RVs and Googled their cost! (Side note: HOLY COW.)
Nevertheless, they’re still different demos. Just because someone has enough money to purchase the Rezvani Vengeance doesn’t mean they’re also in the market for a McLaren 720S. Both are similarly expensive vehicles, albeit with very different audiences. Almost assuredly, the same idea is true with the Cabins at Disney’s Fort Wilderness Resort – A Disney Vacation Club Resort.
Looking at recent Disney Vacation Club additions, it’s also fair to say that the DVC demo has different priorities and expectations for accommodations. It’ll be interesting to see how Fort Wilderness changes to comport with consumer preferences, but not all of that is possible.
What DVC members seem to favor–convenience, consolidated layout, and ease of access–are not the strong suits of Fort Wilderness. What DVC members don’t seem to care about–themed design, atmosphere, seclusion, and serenity–are some of the biggest strengths of Fort Wilderness. Only so much of that can conceivably change; many of those are immutable characteristics of the campground, and DVC members are going to have to meet Fort Wilderness halfway.
To that point, it would probably be a savvy move if DVC guides took all prospective buyers of the Cabins at Disney’s Fort Wilderness Resort – A Disney Vacation Club Resort to the actual campground and had the spend a half-day actually experiencing and getting around the resort.
Honestly, I’d go a step further and recommend to anyone considering this that they do an actual multi-night stay at Fort Wilderness first. That seems like such an obvious thing that anyone would do when making a $30,000+ purchase, but I wonder to what extent it’ll actually happen.
Ultimately, some of my commentary here is similar to what it was for Reflections – A Disney Lakeside Lodge. However, all of my complaints are dialed down dramatically here, as Reflections was going to do much more damage. By contrast, these cabins will replace comparable accommodations, so they won’t cause that many negative impacts on their own.
Even after Disney Vacation Club comes to the scene, Fort Wilderness will still likely be 90% unchanged from its status today. And honestly, as compared to Walt Disney World as a whole, that’s still pretty good. It’s truly amazing how well-preserved the campground still is, even as development has exploded all around Walt Disney World in the last several decades. Fort Wilderness has long been an outlier and something of a time capsule of a bygone era, and that will likely remain true in 2025 and beyond.
Moreover, even as other aspects of Fort Wilderness do change to pave way (a fitting way of putting this) for the Cabins at Disney’s Fort Wilderness Resort – A Disney Vacation Club Resort, there’s only so much I can realistically see the company investing in this project. There’s a reason Disney is doing this as opposed to resuming Reflections. It’s the path of least resistance. In this case, that’s a good thing for Fort Fiends and all other fans of the original Vacation Kingdom of the World! So we shouldn’t over-exaggerate the damage this will do.
Moreover, there will also be some positives–as much as we enjoy the occasional meal at Trail’s End (RIP) or the quick-service options, there’s a lot of room for improvement on that front. A proper food court would be fantastic, as would improved dining options. Selling this DVC expansion is an incentive to significantly upgrade all of that, and if there’s one thing Disney’s Riviera Resort does well, it is dining. There’s no denying that. I’m also hopeful this results in the restoration of a walking trail between Fort Wilderness and Wilderness Lodge.
That’s not the only positive for my fellow pessimists out there. Assuming that DVC is going to be built indefinitely, I’d rather have this than another tower or bland high-rise sprouting up where it doesn’t belong. While I’m not wild about this, it’s exponentially better than building another bland tower that’s virtually indistinguishable from a metro Marriott or Fairfield Inn by an airport. More of that is coming eventually (development on the Reflections site is inevitable over a long enough time-horizon), but I’d rather postpone it for as long as possible, or at least until themed design is back en vogue.
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YOUR THOUGHTS
What do you think of this Walt Disney World news? Are you optimistic or pessimistic about the Cabins at Disney’s Fort Wilderness Resort – A Disney Vacation Club Resort? Happy that DVC is expanding to cabins at a Moderate Resort, or wish they’d build a new stand-alone property? If you’re a Fort Fiend, are you upset by this or indifferent to it? Do you agree or disagree with our assessment? Any questions we can help you answer? Hearing your feedback–even when you disagree with us–is both interesting to us and helpful to other readers, so please share your thoughts below in the comments!
I have mixed feelings about this announcement. My very first Disney trip included a stay at Fort Wilderness in 1978, and I have returned with multiple generations of my family always staying in the cabins. I have considered purchasing DVC, but even if it’s a more moderate price point I’m not sure if it will make financial sense. I do like this concept better than the Reflections Lodge but I still worry it will alter the feel of the Fort. I wish that Disney was keeping some cabins as non-DVC as the cabins are a great option for bigger families.
Tom –
The absolute “first” thing that came to my mind of this seemingly rushed announcement “sandwiched” in-between the MNSSHP and a bunch of other news is……”follow-the-money”. Why now? What this announcement right when the Disneyland Villa’s will be selling AND you have a huge Polynesian Tower project and your still pushing the Riviera Resort…..Why add to the mix at this exact moment? Could it have something to do with the new “Oversight Board” barreling down Disney’s path? What if you put the plans together now AND do not change the “footprint” as they did with the Treehouse Villa’s and therefore diminish the “red tape” necessary on a new build. Getting this started may “beat the clock” on the 26th which is when the new Oversight Committee is supposed to over-rule the previous Disney-Reedy Creek situation. It is NOT about (timing-wise) anything other than moving up the time-table on this “blue-sky” DVC idea and getting this done BEFORE Disney potentially gets push-back from the Committee. I am VERY confident that this is purely an “insert” to get this done without a potential refusal down the road.
I love this!! We are DVC Poly owners but I always wanted to stay at Fort Wilderness. But since we fly in from CA, we don’t have a car or our normal camping gear. Also, since we always use points for our WDW visits, we don’t spend $$ on cash only reservations. Since we don’t visit the parks every day anyways, spending time at Fort Wilderness will be a wonderful option. I think this is a good thing and am actually excited about this news. I’m more excited about this news than the Poly Tower.
Sounds exciting. I am curious, however, if the cabins will have a king size bed or queen as the master?
I have to agree with others. As a DVC owner if I have a choice between a 1 bedroom standard villa and a new cabin for the same points, I’m picking the 1 bedroom every time for convenience. We’ve stayed in the cabins before and while we love the vibe of the Fort, we just don’t have enough non-park days for it to be worth the transportation hassle. If the cabins are using the old foot print I don’t see how they can sleep 8. Unless 2 stories and have same usable space as a 2 bedroom, then I would consider it if priced comparable to a 1 bedroom.
Wow! Big news for us. After years of staying in value and moderate resorts we eventually got a small DVC contract and had stayed at almost all the resorts except Wilderness. That changed when we got our pandemic puppy that travels with us most of the time. We have since stayed in the cabins four times. She is vigilant and barks at any noise or people—the seclusion of the cabins is perfect.
I was surprised at how much WE like the vibe there. Each day includes a long, pleasant dog walk through the resort, a beer/meal on the deck, and two 3-5 hour jaunts to a park. We appreciate the quiet, the pines, the feel of being in real nature. Easy to do necessary dog walks, and we noticed that they seem popular with smokers. So nice to be able to just step right outside your door.
Transportation was not the issue that I feared—we are walkers and haven’t needed a golf cart or used the internal bus system.
We have still used our meager points for studios on dog free trips these last few years, paying cash for the Wilderness Cabin trips. This may actually make it worth buying more points.
I’m excited, but I think they’re pandering to Wilderness Lodge fans *and* they’re making pains to infill rather than just build a tower at the Settlement. Between those two concept, how can I not like this?
I understand the fear about new facilities, but the one thing Fort Wilderness needs now is new facilities. There’s a lot of no longer used space up at the Outpost that can be repurposed or replaced without further infringing on the atmosphere, and there’s more than enough space at the Meadow to expand the snack bar to a full counter service restaurant. Other than maybe plussing up the pool, I don’t know why you’d say such a Fort Wilderness would be any less a Deluxe Resort than Old Key West or the Lodges.
I have no idea how people estimate $/point without knowing point/night or vice versa, but I think they can pull Lodge-esque $/night, which will certainly be more than the below-AoA family suite prices they’re currently charging.
You’re absolutely right. Fort Wilderness needs upgraded and expanded facilities; among other things, a proper food court would be a fantastic addition.
My hesitation is that I don’t really trust Disney to do build that in keeping with the character and charm of Fort Wilderness. I worry it’ll end up looking shabby chic, vaguely modern, or like who-knows-what. I also fear that any new development will trigger the updated RCID building code that resulted in lots of dead space at the Poly and Wilderness Lodge following those overhauls.
With that said, there’s a ton of potential here and if done properly, this could be an actual enhancement to Fort Wilderness, and not a negative. Here’s hoping!
I feel very positive about this for several reasons:
1. They are not building another tower
2. This will feel more immersive and on-theme which I think should always be the goal
3. Glamping!!!
4. Pet friendly. We actually don’t have a dog right now, but what a great option that will appeal to many members.
I’m looking forward to staying at the cabins. Dedicating an entire trip to Ft. Wilderness has been on my list for awhile anyway. Looks like it will be happening sooner than later.
All very fair points.
To be honest, I’m much more excited about this than any other recent DVC announcement. While I don’t love what it could potentially do to the Fort, I think there’s more upside and less downside than with past announcements, and we will absolutely be booking these cabins with DVC points. I’m really looking forward to that!
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To clarify, Disney is replacing all of it’s current fort wilderness resort status cabins with dvc status cabins during this remodel? or are they adding a section of dvc cabins in addition to the resort cabins?
sorry! found the answer in another comment!
Firstly, thank you Tom for the timely and complete analysis of this breaking news.
I’m heartbroken. I’ve been going to Disney since it opened. My husband and I take annual vacations to Fort Wilderness and stay in the cabins for a week. It’s like a second home to us.
We are not DVC members nor will ever be able to afford it. Good thing we have our December cabin booked for this year. I feel like Disney continues to chip away at the magic.
We don’t know what this will be like for next year. As always, keep us posted on any news you get. We’ll be enjoying this year’s trip, as it may be our last, absorbing everything we love about it.
Don’t despair! Look into DVC rentals. Once the “new resort” shine wears off, it should be easy to rent. Usually cheaper or on par with booking directly with Disney. Just make sure to insure your purchase.
Is there any way you can move forward that trip?
I don’t know how this is going to play out, but there’s no guarantee that Disney will honor current reservations for the cabins. Entirely possible you’ll be relocated to a different family suite, especially with a stay that late in the year.
(Sorry to be the bearer of bad news and more potentially bad news, but I think it’s better to be prepared for what could happen, and changing plans accordingly if possible, than being caught off-guard…)
Moving our trip is feasible but not desired. This is a tradition. I briefly thought about when they would start the work versus when we would be there. I’m hoping they work on certain loops at a time and just place all of us in the other loops. Why would they forfeit that cash stream during the Christmas season?
If they do “upgrade” us, I’ll be pushing for Wilderness Lodge or they lose our business. It’s expensive enough to do this trip.
Thank you for the heads up! I’ll come back to post here if I do hear from them.
My guess is that they will end up assigning points for these between a 1 and 2 bedroom. If they try to *point* these anywhere near the CC cabins or the Poly bungalows I don’t think they will sell. They only have one bathroom, no washer/dryer, and no king bed – unless they are planning on increasing the size of each cabin. No signature dining, difficult-to-get-around resort, sub-par pool – they can’t give a value/moderate experience a deluxe price…
Can’t wait for them to sellanother 500k DVC contracts to make DVC reservations even more difficult!
Actually, building more DVC *is* the answer to the availability shortage. They need to dilute the Aulani memberships, which are disproportionately used at Walt Disney World.
So long as the point chart keeps these with reasonably high occupancy, this is a step in the right direction with regard to that very specific issue.
Nooooooooooooo!!!!! I hate this news, but I guess I hate it a lot less than the Reflections plan. I couldn’t agree more about the demographic shift threatening the vibe of the Fort, but my biggest concern is that the cabins have always been a fantastic value proposition and are almost always part of room only discounts. I worry the remaining, non-DVC cabins will shoot up in price as a result of smaller supply. Unfortunately it took my family many years and too many trips before we found and fell in love with the Fort, and I feel sad that we didn’t get to fit more stays in before these changes. In the spirit of making lemonade, I will wish for much-needed dining additions and pool upgrades to soften the blow…
Yes—a highly themed, major pool upgrade/addition would definitely make this more palatable. Also, would love for them to rework the aesthetics on the cabins themselves. The current artwork has them looking like Castaway Cay cabanas/ HGTV she-sheds. Wish they were more wilderness-y.
The exterior has major HGTV vibes–that was my immediate thought. (I watch way too much HGTV, none of which is by choice.)
I do like the large windows allowing more natural light and views of the trees outside, though!
“none of which is by choice” LOL. You mean to tell me you don’t love Flipping and Flopping Farmhouse Fabulousness?
As a fort friend and 3+ visit to Disney per year, this makes me sad and may be the final nail in the proverbial coffin for us. The fort is the fort. Leave it alone. I knew they would eventually mess it up. Thank you for this insightful article!
Trying to imagine how one bedroom and one bathroom would sleep 6 adults. Double beds in the bedroom and a pull-out sofa in the living area? First World issues and all, but that seems pretty cramped to me. Like maybe do a kitchenette instead of a full kitchen, and use the space for another .5 bath? I think the current cabins sleep 6, but that’s with the bunkbeds that are presumably not for adults?
Thank you, as always, for the extensive commentary. I saw the announcement this morning, but I was waiting for your analysis post. I total agree with you in that I’m thankful that this appears to be minimal change at large for FW. I’m so weary of the bland DVC towers and I may never get over the Poly lobby overhaul, talk about a “Hampton Inn” feel – yikes – they really failed on that project. Anyway, while I’ve always been intrigued by the FW Cabins, we have never stayed there because of the massive footprint of the resort. We like Poly for location, location, location and what used to be a highly-themed, relaxing resort. This new addition to FW won’t increase our chances of staying there, but I’m glad that it appears that the new cabins seem to have been given more thought than other DVC projects. Of course, that may be as you indicated that they know there is not huge market for them or I think they would be ADDING these cabins as new DVC area, rather than replacing old cabins with the new ones.
I’m just trying to understand is this replacing the current 400 cabins? Or expanding into the extra space set aside for the canceled reflections project?? I’m just really confused about that from the wording.
“…proposed plans call for more than 350 new cabins to replace the existing cabins at the resort, which have delighted guests for many years and will soon be ready for a refresh…”
Despite Fort Wilderness as a whole having a very vocal and passionate fanbase, the existing cabins are not particularly popular. There’s routinely availability here when the campsites are sold out, and there are frequently more aggressive discounts for the cabins. Like Olivia’s or Sanaa, these accommodations have a loyal fan following–but also are routinely offered to Cast Members at 40% off.
In fact, this isn’t the first time in the last decade that Walt Disney World will be reducing the number of cabins. Back during the last soft goods refurbishment (in 2016-2017), Disney removed the cabins in the 2100 Loop to add more campsites. Even after that, occupancy is lower for the cabins than the campground as a whole.
Rather than the price per point, I’m more interested in the number of points per cabin. They have a capacity of six, so they can’t come in at more than any two-bedroom villas at existing DVC resorts. Maybe somewhere in between the points of a one-bedroom and two-bedroom. The location, though, may make it a more difficult sell if they point charts are on the high side.
My guess–and this is a total shot in the dark–is that the points chart will be on par with a 1BR preferred room at Riviera. Actually, I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re on par with a standard 1BR.
I feel like the value proposition here has to be competitive, as this is not a Deluxe Resort and the transportation and campground layout are serious impediments. Who knows, though.
Ouch!
I’m not a DVC member, but have stayed with my family of 4 in both the cabins and various 1 bedroom villas directly through Disney (Boardwalk, Beach Club, and Copper Creek)
Comparing the two, the cabins were definitely a lesser experience. We felt very cramped compared to a one bedroom, even with only 4 people and not the full 6 that it sleeps. And the long golf cart ride to amenities or Disney transportation, versus just walking down to the lobby, was definitely a hindrance for us.
I’m hoping for the sake of the DVC’ers that the points are somewhere between a Studio and 1 Bedroom. I know as someone paying out of pocket that I wouldn’t consider one if the pricing were on par with a 1 bedroom villa, versus slightly more than a moderate hotel room like it is now
It will be the $230 per point, or whatever standard DVC rate is.
It will simply be fewer points to book a room. My guess—- the cabins will go for more points than a DVC studio but fewer points than a DVC 1-bedroom. For example, in the summer, a standard 1 BR at BLT is 233 points. Studio is 123 points.
So imagine a DVC Fort Wilderness cabin is 150 points — definitely a “moderate” compared to the 777 points for a CCV bungalow cabin.
Two bold bets there!
I’m skeptical of both predictions, but you very well could be right. But just to lock you into something, are you suggesting the upfront price for this will comparable to VDH and the Poly after incentives? Because I could see them all being priced at $230 (or whatever in 2024) but this having much more aggressive incentives.
As for points, I think this will be slightly above 1BR. Definitely far below the Cascade Cabins or Treehouse Villas, though. Not even in the same ballpark.
It’s a 50-year contract with points, that in theory, can be used at any DVC. If they price the points is an entirely different ballpark than the other actively selling DVCs, the unintended consequences would be huge. People on the re-sale market already buy Saratoga Springs points with little intent of ever staying at Saratoga Springs, but those re-sale buyers are locked out of the newest and future resorts. And the re-sale market is small compared to the direct market.
Imagine the sales presentation in 2024 — “you can use your points at any resort at the 7-month market (*subject to availability), so do you want the $230 points at Grand Floridian or the $140 points at Fort Wilderness?”
Then does Disney really want the sales rep to explain, “well.. yes, in theory you can use them anywhere … but that subject to availability caveat… umm, it can actually be really hard to use them elsewhere…”
Prospective buyer: “so the whole stay at any DVC is just a con?”
DVC sales rep “no.. you can stay at any DVC.. but umm… ”
Where the buy-in cost will be less — much less — Is comparing the buy-in cost for someone who intends to stay at the Cascade Cabins — They need an initial buy-in of 300-500 points to regularly use those cabins. but a Fort Wilderness buyer can regularly stay in the cabins with an initial buy-in of 100-200 points.
Looking at it another way — I just looked up the rack rate for the cabins. Generally, $500 to $700 per night.
That’s pretty similar to the rack rate for cash guests for the CCV deluxe studios.
If the rack rate for a CCV studio is the same as the rack rate for a Fort Wilderness Cabin — seems reasonable that purchase price would be similar. (for both buy-in and point chart). Of course, the Fort Wilderness cabins may be getting am upgrade making them worth a higher cost than CCV.
Finally, it’s easiest for Disney to keep a uniform per-point price that they can constantly adjust with incentives. I actually think newly upgraded Fort Wilderness cabins could be huge sellers for the DVC market. Goes back to the original concept of DVC — vacation homes with their own kitchen, etc. Not just a hotel room. And sleeping 6 in every unit (and some allowing pets!), opens up DVC to those families who couldn’t fit into studios and couldn’t afford 2-br units.
Good points. Just FWIW, I did write: “Anyone expecting a bargain priced below $150 per point had better think again” in the main post, so obviously I don’t think they’re going to be $140pp. But I do think an effective price around the Riviera entry point is possible. We shall see.