Early December Drop in Crowds at Disney World!
Attendance levels and wait times have dropped to start December 2022 at Walt Disney World, as predicted. This crowd report shares recent data, thoughts on what’s likely to happen next with attendance this week, and our experience with “feels like” crowds at Walt Disney World in the week-plus since Thanksgiving.
We always spend a lot of time in Walt Disney World the week after Thanksgiving, putting our money where our mouths are (I guess? We have APs so it’s not like we’re actually paying for each visit?) during our favorite week of the entire year at the parks. (See our Best & Worst Months to Visit Walt Disney World.) This year was no different, and it was (spoiler alert) great, as always.
Despite it being our top pick, that’s largely for qualitative reasons and not purely wait times. The first week of December is the best week of the month, but it’s during a season that sees higher attendance across the board. Early to mid-December is still significantly busier than the early fall off-season. The difference is that Walt Disney World doesn’t celebrate Christmas during mid-September (yet). With that said, I’ve been very pleasantly surprised by both wait times and congestion in the last week-plus at Walt Disney World.
As I type this opening, I can already anticipate the angry comments from Walt Disney World veterans who visited after Thanksgiving for the first time in several years and found the crowds to be far worse than “normal.” I want to start by addressing that, as this has been a common complaint every single time there’s a wait times report suggesting that crowds were below average. On that note, a few points.
First, what’s covered in these “crowd” reports is actually posted wait time data. These numbers are pulled from My Disney Experience constantly by Thrill-Data.com and compiled into graphs and all sorts of interesting charts. In short, the wait time data is the wait time data. It is not wrong. The numbers do not lie, but they also don’t necessarily tell the full story.
Second and perhaps most importantly, Walt Disney World attendance has surged by tens of millions of guests per year in the last decade-plus. Attendance at Magic Kingdom alone climbed from 16 million to nearly 21 million guests. Animal Kingdom did even better in percentage terms, jumping from 9.5 million to 14 million–with almost all of that coming post-Pandora World of Avatar.
Disney’s Hollywood Studios was to have its own coming-out party in 2020 with the completion of expansions, but that didn’t materialize for obvious reasons. Still, its attendance was up by 2 million from 2007 to 2019. EPCOT was just under that.
At the same time that attendance is significantly higher, regular park hours have been reduced by several hours per day–most notably at Magic Kingdom. (The big exceptions to this are at Animal Kingdom and World Showcase, both of which have longer hours now than their historical norms.)
There’s also less entertainment due to the stage shows and atmospheric acts that have been cut, as well as the loss of 3 different parades. This means more people are concentrated into fewer operating hours, effectively exacerbating ‘feels like’ crowds and wait times during those hours.
The end result is that virtually every single day of 2022 has higher wait times and is significantly more crowded than 2012. Similarly, 2022 is much busier than 2020 and 2021. (The second half of 2019 is a bit of an anomaly due to an unprecedented crowd dynamic with the staggered opening of Star Wars: Galaxy’s Edge.)
Numerical crowd calendar scores are calculated on a rolling basis, meaning a low day on the Walt Disney World crowd calendar is relative to other dates in the last year–not in 2012. (If the latter were used as the benchmark, crowd calendars would be 300+ days of 9/10 or 10/10 crowds!) In other words, a 1/10 today is not the same as a 1/10 in September 2012 or October 2015. Today’s 1/10 might be closer to a 5/10 from five years ago.
Moreover, crowd levels are also relative to their respective parks–meaning today’s 1/10 does not even mean the same average wait time at Magic Kingdom and Hollywood Studios. (This is because Magic Kingdom has a larger and more varied ride roster.) There is no universal standard for crowd levels; it is all relative.
Finally, wait times are not conclusive of in-park congestion. There are several other variables that can impact “feels like” crowds, from festivals at EPCOT to weather to guest demographics to ride breakdowns to operational efficiency to time of day or day of the week. And that’s just a partial list! Beyond that, wait times can be manipulated by Walt Disney World. They’re often inflated, or otherwise inaccurate. (Paradoxically, there’s usually consistency with this inaccuracy.)
Seasonal events are another big one, and it’s currently the heart of the holidays at Walt Disney World. Christmas entertainment can make a big difference, especially if you spend an hour in line for Candlelight Processional or are trying to get a family Christmas card photo on Main Street at the end of the night in Magic Kingdom. (Thankfully, our beloved Merry Menagerie still flies under the radar!)
Point being, wait times are an imperfect measure of Walt Disney World’s raw attendance or crowds. They’re also one that is commonly “contradicted” by Walt Disney World fans who have been visiting for decades and contrast the current year to 5 or 10 years ago. That may be the comparison you want to use and, if so, crowd reports are of exactly 0 value to you. Your personal headline would always be “Crowds Increase for X Week or Month as Compared to 2012.”
For those who are interested in wait time reports or crowd calendars for current reference or determining when to plan future trips, they are still incredibly useful. This is especially true with park reservations being increasingly irrelevant and things starting to normalize at Walt Disney World. If anything, this type of post is the most useful they’ve been in the last ~3 years. (And I write this as someone who had included a preface on crowd calendars that they are not reliable ‘right now’ for the last several years.)
With that said, on-the-ground reader reports and comments about “feels like” crowds during recent trips, and how that differed from posted wait times, are valuable as supplemental color commentary. That’s particularly true when coming from those who visit regularly or during the same week every year. It helps manage others’ expectations and contextualize what things are like beyond the numbers. Of course, that’s not the same as saying the wait time data is wrong.
Anyway, enough with the rambling preface. I’ve shared similar sentiment repeatedly, but felt this was worth reiterating for new readers, first-timers, or longtime fans who have been away for a while. It’s important to understand how these posts work, what’s actually being measured, limitations, etc. With that out of the way, let’s dig into the data and look at Walt Disney World wait times. As always, all graphs and stats are courtesy of Thrill-Data.com:
We’ll start with the monthly numbers for Walt Disney World as a whole. The far right bar is December 2022, which is currently below both October and November.
It’s still way higher than September, which ended up having the lowest wait times of the year by a wide margin. The green and yellow bars on the far left are August through October last year, but that’s a total anomaly– skewed by surging cancellations due to the Delta variant and reinstated mask rules. All things considered, December 2022 is looking really good thus far.
Moving to weekly wait times, it’s easier to see the peaks and valleys of the holiday season so far. Thanksgiving week (the tallest red line) is the third highest week of the year to date, behind only Presidents’ Day and the peak of spring break season.
The week-to-week drop is pretty pronounced. The week following Thanksgiving averaged a 34 minute wait time (3/10 on the crowd calendar), as compared to 49 minutes during the week of Thanksgiving (10/10 on the crowd calendar). That 15 minute difference may seem insignificant, but it’s actually huge–and really adds up over the course of a day.
Breaking it down by day, we see an even more interesting dynamic emerge. Thanksgiving week wait times actually topped out on Monday (November 21), with every day after that decreasing on average. Those are still in the 9/10 to 10/10 range, they just look a lot lower because Monday wait times were so much higher. The scale caps out at 10/10, otherwise those dates would be well above the upper limit.
By the Saturday after Thanksgiving, crowd levels were back to 6/10. On that Sunday (November 27), wait time levels plummeted to 2/10. Since then, they’ve bounced back a bit, but have still yet to exceed 5/10 on the crowd calendar. Even by historical standards for the week after Thanksgiving, that’s really good.
So really, it’s not “just” early December wait times that are down–that would only be a few days worth of data points and would be premature to call it a trend. In actuality, we’re at nearly two weeks of crowd levels trending downward–and a full week of downright low crowd levels per wait time data.
Breaking this down by park, where we’ll start with Magic Kingdom.
Magic Kingdom continues its porcupine impression, which has been the case ever since party season started in August. As always, this is due to Mickey’s Very Merry Christmas Party, which really disrupts attendance patterns at Magic Kingdom. This is something we’ve covered at length, again and again. Thus far, most days of MVMCP at Magic Kingdom have been below 3/10 on the crowd calendar. All December 2022 dates have been 1/10 or 2/10.
That roller coaster graph isn’t easy to read, so let’s take a look at weekly wait times, which smooth out the MVMCP v. non-party days.
From this, we can see Magic Kingdom drop from 8/10 during Thanksgiving week to 2/10 in the past week. I’m actually surprised the most popular park was only 8/10 during the peak holiday window. A couple of the other parks being off the charts is what lifted the overall average.
I can’t really explain Magic Kingdom only being 8/10 the week of Thanksgiving. I have a couple of guesses, though. First, Walt Disney World limited Park Pass reservation availability to push attendance to other parks and normalize numbers (this definitely happened to some extent). Second, the lack of party dates that week helped Magic Kingdom better absorb crowds. Those are just my working theories–I’m open to alternative explanations, so feel free to share your ideas in the comments!
Above are attraction wait times for December 2022 thus far at Magic Kingdom, which obviously exclude the week of Thanksgiving and days thereafter in November.
Nothing really comes as a surprise here–maybe Haunted Mansion and Buzz Lightyear’s Space Ranger Spin being so high, but that’s hardly unprecedented. Splash Mountain is further down the list, but that’s a byproduct of weather. I wonder if we’ll see that climb up the rankings now that there’s a concrete closure date.
Continuing to Epcot, where crowd levels are now back down to their pre-Thanksgiving levels once again. After spiking to a 10/10 for the holiday, levels are back to moderate levels for the last (almost) two weeks.
As always, “feels like” crowds at Epcot–especially in World Showcase–are always worse on weekends and evenings. I spent a lot of time at EPCOT last week and it definitely felt busy. However, the return of Fantasmic has definitely relieved some of the pressure on Harmonious, with many Park Hopping guests clearly preferring to see the superior nighttime spectacular. Candlelight Processional crowds also weren’t as bad as expected.
When looking at attraction wait times, there are no surprises at EPCOT, either.
The top trio of Remy’s Ratatouille Adventure, Frozen Ever After, and Test Track are all above an hour, but everything else is perfectly manageable. The actual wait times for everything in the front of the park (including Test Track and Soarin’ Around the World) plummet in the evening, as the ghost of Future World becomes a ghost town and ~95% of the guests in EPCOT all cram into World Showcase.
Animal Kingdom had its busiest day of the year Thanksgiving week, and by a wide margin. The average wait time was 74 minutes, which would be a 15/10 or so if the crowd calendar went above 10. This is the busiest day we’ve seen at Animal Kingdom since we began tracking wait times in 2019. I can’t see how it compares to the Pandora opening summer, but it wouldn’t surprise me if this is on par–or even worse–than then.
Crowd levels have plummeted since. November 30 was the lowest low, with a 1/10 crowd level and 21 minute average wait. That makes it rank as the #496 most crowded day in the last 500 days. (Or stated more positively, as the 4th least-crowded day during that time.) By dumb luck, I happened to be in Animal Kingdom on that day, and it was incredible.
As with the other parks, individual ride wait times are almost exactly what we’d expect thus far in December 2022.
Avatar Flight of Passage has by far the highest average wait time, followed by Na’vi River Journey and Kilimanjaro Safaris. I do want to draw your attention to the Adventurers Outpost meet & greet, which continues to climb the charts. We’ve pointed this out previously, and increased its priority for both standard itineraries and Genie+ users.
It’s worth reiterating, as meet & greets are something that normal Walt Disney World guests overlook until later in the day. However, you can still hit it with a short wait at about 10 am. (I was literally the only person in the standby line for this at around noon on 11/30, but again, that was an absolute anomaly. Do NOT expect the same results!)
This is also true with meet & greets at the other 3 parks. One of the “underrated” ways of beating crowds and higher wait times is prioritizing popular meet & greets or doing them strategically (e.g. during or immediately as Festival of Fantasy concludes at Magic Kingdom, around 10 am at DHS, etc.).
Finally, there’s Disney’s Hollywood Studios. After several days of 10/10 crowd levels and 70+ minute average wait times during the week of Thanksgiving, numbers sharply declined during the week after. Wait times have been in the 40 minute range since, which is a huge decrease.
As always, DHS continues to be the busiest park at Walt Disney World. Anything above 7/10 here is arguably in unpleasant territory. I doubt many people in the park on only the “less busy” days in the last couple of weeks would describe their visit as such. Disney’s Hollywood Studios simply cannot absorb crowds very well. Thankfully, the return of Fantasmic has already started to help redistribute crowds over the course of the day, but it can only do so much–even with two showtimes.
This is nothing new–see our pre-closure post: Disney’s Hollywood Studios: WDW’s Best Rides & Most Frustrating Park.
Disney’s Hollywood Studios is where the individual attraction wait times get interesting. That’s not an error–Tower of Terror is #1. This is due to one of the elevator shafts being out of service (again). I still haven’t been able to determine whether this is planned or unplanned downtime. Earlier this year, one side was refurbished and the exact same thing happened. I would hope that Disney didn’t deliberately take the other side down during the holiday season, but who knows. Either way, its wait times have been bad.
Also interesting is Slinky Dog Dash edging out Star Wars: Rise of the Resistance. After that, 4 other attractions are all above 60 minutes. These are the longest averages for headliners in any park at Walt Disney World, and the only reason the average wait time is brought down is because it includes things that don’t really have wait times.
On a positive note, I observed significantly lower wait times during Fantasmic, as that soaks up a large portion of crowds in DHS. Literally every attraction was under an hour between the first and second showings of Fantasmic last week. Judging by what I saw, I’m guessing actual wait times were all under 30 minutes. Here’s hoping this continues, as it’ll mean that staying late is still a great way to beat the crowds at DHS!
Due to an extended trip to Japan, this last week was the first time I’ve been in the parks at Walt Disney World this holiday season. Consequently, I missed the Veterans Day and Thanksgiving week crowds–but have a pretty good idea of how bad they were based on last year. (Not disappointed that I missed any of that!)
I also spent every day in the parks last week, from opening to closing (or later!) on most days. As mentioned above, we have a lot of experience with this particular week, as it’s our favorite week of the year at Walt Disney World. That’s been true for ages. Back when we lived in the Midwest, our annual Christmas trip usually started the Sunday after Thanksgiving. I don’t keep track, but if I had to guess at which week of the year we have spent the most minutes in Walt Disney World since 2007, it would be this one. Probably by a pretty wide margin. We absolutely love the week after Thanksgiving.
Given those years of historical experience–plus how things have changed since around 2018–I have to say I’m pretty happy and pleasantly surprised by the “feels like” crowds and wait times I encountered this past week.
To be sure, there were times when headliner rides had triple-digit waits and walkways were congested. However, that’s par for the course. I also say totally empty walkways and the headliners in every park with 40 minute or lower posted wait times. (Avatar Flight of Passage was 40 minutes during the lunch lull one day, which I haven’t seen in a while.)
I know some longtime Walt Disney World fans are bound to disagree, hence the long and rambling post preface, but this was the best holiday week for crowds that I’ve experienced in a long time. As compared to last year, the return of Fantasmic–and it having 2 showtimes despite not needing both–definitely helped. As did more entertainment and stage shows being back. Ditto earlier opening times for all 4 parks, including Magic Kingdom on party days.
Speaking of which, I did not visit Magic Kingdom on 11/30 or 12/3. Those were its non-party days, wedged among a sea of Mickey’s Very Merry Christmas Party dates. Consequently, crowds “spiked” to 5/10 both days. Every day I did Magic Kingdom in the last week, it was a 1/10. These lower crowd days were easily predictable and we’ve been shouting since July that they wouldn’t be busy, so if you went on one of the 5/10 days instead and have a different perception of crowds as a result…that’s kind of on you.
Looking forward, it’s pretty safe to predict that this week will be busier than last week. Another not-so-bold prediction is that the next week will be busier than that. Guess what, the week before Christmas will be even busier. The stretch between then and New Year’s Eve will be even busier still, especially with both Christmas and NYE bookending that week.
None of these predictions are particularly bold. Historically, crowd levels incrementally increase throughout the month of December, with the biggest wildcards being the last couple of weeks (based upon the days of week of Christmas and NYE). Barring wild weather or other unforeseen circumstances, crowd levels are probably going to jump from 3/10 last week to 5/10 (or so) this week to 7/10 and then to 9/10 or 10/10.
If you’re a local or otherwise have the chance for a last-minute weekend getaway, we’d highly recommend visiting Walt Disney World this week through the middle of next week. This is a great window of nice weather, seasonal events, and low-to-moderate wait time and crowd levels. That window will start to close as locals start realizing it’s their last chance to visit before the Christmas and New Year’s Eve blockouts take effect.
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YOUR THOUGHTS
Predictions on crowds for the rest of December 2022? If you visited during the week of Thanksgiving or thereafter, what was your perception of “feels like” crowds? If your trip overlapped the two weeks, did you feel a noticeable drop the weekend after Thanksgiving? Thoughts on our predictions or anecdotal observations? Agree or disagree with our opinion that last week was the best time of the entire year to visit Walt Disney World? If you’ve visited in prior months during the last year, how did crowds compare between then and now? What did you think of the wait times? Any parks or times of day noticeably worse than the others? Do you agree or disagree with anything in our report? Any questions we can help you answer? Hearing your feedback–even when you disagree with us–is both interesting to us and helpful to other readers, so please share your thoughts below in the comments!
We were at MK on Sunday the 4th and it was almost like 10 years ago. Low crowds, low wait times and perfect weather. Having the party that night did seem to keep crowds low. You can tell the cast members seemed more delighted at their tasks as they were super friendly as we were to them. Getting all of the trams back up and the train would help us older folks. You can almost smell the magic coming back!
I’m curious your thoughts on the reservation calendar? Looks like next week is the only week of the month all green. We’ll be there so I’ve been keeping an eye on it for a while. Would this indicate crowds may be lower next week than this week?
Thanks Tom for all your advice. This was our first trip since 2019. We went 11/28-12/1. Crowds were manageable. Weather was perfect! We love the week after Thanksgiving. The magic cost was higher , hoping Disney will give families a few discounts. Our granddaughters loved it!!
I love that your “annual” trip has been the week after Thanksgiving. That has been our annual trip also, off and on since 1995. We would take the kids on Thanksgiving and then spend the next week at WDW. Back in the day…there were virtually no crowds the week after Thanksgiving and we had the added bonus of experiencing all the Christmas festivities. EPCOT has always been our children’s favorite park. I remember the World Showcase players and their rendition of A Christmas Carol in England, decorating sugar cookies in Germany, so many wonderful memories that particular week. Our last trip that week was in 2018 with our children and now grandchildren, crowds are different now but just as magical. This year we will go the week between Christmas and New Years but with the obvious knowledge of how busy it will be, we are just happy to be together as a family
We went to MK on 11/28, Hollywood on 11/30 and EPCOT on 12/1. MK was by far the busiest of the 3; we purchased Genie+ per your recommendation which helped us manage the day pretty well (we did not have early entry but were there for rope drop). One Note for MK: I was disappointed in the evening 50th celebration “castle show”. I guess I was looking for more nostalgia with more references to the “oldies” (Pinnochio, Peter Pan, Mary Poppins) and less of the newer movies. And how can you have a 50th celebration without using all or at least of portion of “Wish upon a star” for the score. Hollywood Studios and EPCOT crowds were very manageable (we did not purchase Genie+ for either park). However, we did purchase ILL for Rise because I wanted a guarantee that we would ride it. We never experienced any wait times over 60 minutes at any of the parks. Overall, it was a very pleasant week at WDW and will always target this week if/when we go back for Christmas. Special Note: I was amazed at the new and improved Fantasmic. Disney hit a grand slam with the new show! It is the best show at WDW by far!
We’ve been here since 11/30, leaving on 12/8, and have made it onto Guardians three (3!) times without paying for ILL. The virtual queue is so much easier to navigate than when Rise first opened, and the ride itself is kind of addictive. 🙂
We knew would get busier, so tried to do most rides last week, and are now mostly eating ourselves into oblivion . . .
We went for two nights right after Thanksgiving this year and last year. Both trips were great and we rode a ridiculous number of rides both years due to a strong Genie+/rope drop/zig-zag strategy. The difference this year was in the “feels.” Walking around felt more pleasant and less busy, and we ended up stopping for a lot more minor shows and atmosphere appreciation. A great mix of weather and manageable crowds.
The other difference for me this year is that my kids are out of the stroller, after milking it for as many Disney trips as we could. They couldn’t make it to the night shows after 12+ mile days – the life stages of Disney trips continues to evolve…
Hi Tom
Would you say the week after Thanksgiving is also good for Disneyland?
In theory and judging by wait time data, yes.
However, I cannot speak to congestion or ‘feels like’ crowds. We’ve done that particular week at Disneyland a grand total of once since we are almost always at Walt Disney World during it. Sadly, they’ve yet to create the technology to allow me to be two places at once. Maybe next year! 😉
We typically go to dland the week after Thanksgiving and it’s mostly pleasant. Feels like crowds in the park go from moderate to heavy but wait times stay mostly reasonable. With that said the nights of the candlelight processional have insane crowds and can be difficult to get around at times.
We just returned home from WDW 11/27-12/4. We have gone the second week of December in the past but decided to go this week based on your recommendation. The weather was perfect and the crowds seemed very manageable. We did the party on Tuesday night and I felt it was more crowded than the daytime. Our biggest issue was the traffic on 26 and 95 on 11/26. I’m not sure I want to try another road-trip on a holiday weekend.
Great article as usual Tom. We were at MK and DHS on 11/29 and 11/30 with a group of 33 people and I was pleasantly surprised. My family of 5 attended last year at the same time, and have been going about every other year since 2016, and my wife and I both agree that this was our best trip since the initial 2016 trip.
Wait times were less than half of what was posted and the walkways did not feel congested, even for our big group. It actually felt magical again.
Even the cast members seemed more “in the mood” than our last several visits. Maybe the Bob swap? Or more staff? Whatever the reason, this was the first time we’ve left wanting to come back soon in several years.
Waiting 50 minutes in 70 degree weather is better than 25 minutes in 90 degree weather. Wish I were there!
That is a brilliant way to look at it!
We just returned yesterday (12/4) and it was such a wonderful time. We went during this week primarily on your recommendation and we were not disappointed! There was definitely a difference between the weekday and weekend. We switched up our park days to get another ride on Guardians on Saturday so it was more crowded at Epcot that day than it had been on Wednesday, but that is to be expected. Stacking lightning lanes for the afternoon at Hollywood Studios is key and worth the $, in my opinion. We were able to ride Slinky Dog, Toy Story Mania and Runaway Railway by stacking them up for later in the afternoon/evening. Thanks for all the tips and for helping us to have a wonderful holiday trip!
Just got back from my first kid-free Disney vacation, and we planned for 11/26-12/2 due to your past blog posts about how the crowds usually dip after Thanksgiving. The week was absolutely fabulous and we had the best time! I looked for you guys every day in the parks but never saw you to thank you in person. Thanks so much for all you do! I have followed the advice on DisneyTourist Blog for two trips now, and everything is always spot on.
I was pretty happy with crowd levels this past week, I was expecting much worse. We were slow to enter parks (3 young kids) and still managed to do most of what we wanted. Monday night I saw RoR was 25 minutes during the first fantasmic show. I didn’t get to the park until just before 8 and the line had started increasing, but I was able to ride rise, MF (walk on and I was the only one in my crew) and get back on rise by 8:57 for a almost walk on second ride. I took the long way out to check out the land after closing. It was awesome! Thanks for the tips!!
“Monday night I saw RoR was 25 minutes during the first fantasmic show.”
Wow! I thought 40 minutes this time of year was pretty good, but that’s even better. With a 25 minute posted wait time, there’s about a 50/50 chance RotR is actually a walk-on. Glad to hear you had a good trip!
We rode tower of terror twice in 45 minutes during the first Fantasmic
I have just returned from the weekend at the parks. Friday 12/2 we did Epcot, Saturday 12/3 DHS, and 12/4 we did MK. Saturday and Sunday were AWFUL. Here’s why… wait times posted were ALL half of what we actually waited. And you wanna know why? LL! A huge screaming match went down on slinky Saturday night bc posted times said 75 minutes and we ended up waiting over 2 hours bc LL was pouring in while regular lanes were only 1 party at a time. Same thing happened in MK on Sunday. Snow white posted 50 mins and we waited 80 mins. Space Mountain posted 20 mins and we waited over 40. I don’t mind waiting, but its very frustrating when wait times are THIS far off from the truth. It feels very deceptive and misleading. Im starting to inch toward Universal even though we’ve been doing Disney for 9 solid years now, My 9 year told said that Disney is starting to turn into “money Disney” instead of “Disney for families and happiness”. Is this what we can expect as LL continues to be a thing?
Wait times are usually inflated, rather than being understated. If anything, I’d say 95% of the time or more, the actual wait time is <75% of the posted wait time. I'm surprised that you experienced the opposite of that for every single attraction you did.
My guess is that SDD and SDMT had downtime earlier in the day, and there was a 'backlog' of Lightning Lane users as a result. This is a common issue at Star Wars: Rise of the Resistance, but not so much at other attractions. (I did see something similar at SDMT on 12/1, FWIW.)
Going on Wednesday which violates the Bricker Rule regarding non Christmas Hard Ticket days but it was my only available day post conference. Going to follow the Bricker Plan regarding rides too. I’m looking forward to the weather and the Christmas decorations.
Hope you have a good time! If this past week is any indication, it might not be too bad on Wednesday. I might even take 5/10 crowd levels (perhaps 7/10 this week) in exchange for longer hours and nighttime during the Christmas season.
Just got home yesterday after spending the week in WDW. Crowds were excelllent, and I would say not much more than late August, IMO. Friday was a bit rough at Epcot, but that largely seemed to be a lot of school groups until all the locals hit that evening (which we expected).
Even if crowds were worse this past week-plus (and they were) than August, the big difference is that this time of year is so much more pleasant!
I feel nasty and exhausted by the middle of the day in August. By contrast, I have no issues starting early in the morning and staying until the bitter end, all without taking a midday break.
I know many people hate it, but I’m also a BIG fan of the earlier sunset this time of year. The parks are better at night, and so much more comfortable.
Not WDW crowds, but related. We just returned last night from a trip to Universal last week (Tues-Sunday). It was blissfully uncrowded during the weekdays, and it was the best weather we had ever had going that week. Also- your review for Hard Rock was spot on. We loved staying there. Another great family vacation with some great memories. Some other families went with us, and they were all sold on visiting Orlando during that particular week. Thank you!
Glad to hear you had a great trip! I didn’t manage to hit Universal this past week, but it looks like those parks experienced the exact same dynamic in reviewing the wait times.
Also good to hear that you enjoyed Hard Rock. Staying in one of the Universal hotels is definitely something anyone who is splitting time between WDW and UOR should consider. Prices and perks cannot be beat–and I’d also argue the quality of many Universal hotels is up there with WDW.
(If anything, I think the gap between Universal and Disney is smaller/nonexistent/leans UOR when it comes to hotels, whereas WDW still has a commanding advantage in theme parks. To each their own on all of that, though.)
I was at WDW around the first Monday in October this year and UO around the first Monday in October last year. If that’s a good apples-to-apples comparison, I’d say a 3/10 in WDW feels much busier than a 3/10 in UO.
You know I’d be curious how often WDW churns thru “active” customers. Obviously I was an active tourist with my family from 1990 to 2003, a Cast Member after that, then an APer until around 2016 when I really lost interest in actually going there. It seems to me that a lot of ppl who began visiting around 2010-12 have recently dropped off, but it sure seems like Disney has had no problem replacing them. I’d be curious what Disneys internal data on the life span of an active repeat customer is – six year? Three trips? The growth in attendance over the last decade has been truly amazing.
I’m also curious about this. I suspect the average is and has always been 1.xxx trips per lifetime. However, if we exclude the one-and-done rite of passage visitors, I wonder how that has shifted over time.
My guess is that it’s actually increased since ~2012, especially with millennials who grew up on the Disney Renaissance and Afternoon, were young adults when Disney became trendy, and are now having their own kids. I also would not be surprised if that has started to decrease since 2019.
There has been a lot to dislike over the last several years, but Disney still has incredibly favorable demographics working to the company’s advantage.
I”ve been TAing for 10+ years and I’d say you are spot on with your three trip hypothesis. My clients are usually in the demographic of “family of 5, deluxe stay–roughly every two years apart” The first trip is super magical. Second trip: really great, but lacking the magic of the initial discovery. Third trip is enough to see the decline in value for the increased purchase price. Plus, the kids are getting older and it’s time to think about traveling abroad etc.
We are in WDW now and I’ve found the crowd levels to be very manageable. We were surprised at the low crowd levels this past Sat at Magic Kingdom and the weather has been amazing!