Some Haphazard Disney World Tips – Part 2
As we all know, there’s a lot happening and about to happen at Walt Disney World. The big ongoing projects are at Disney Springs and Disney’s Animal Kingdom, both of which feel like active construction sites. Magic Kingdom and Epcot both have ongoing projects, but nothing that significantly impacts the experience of either park. Disney’s Hollywood Studios is oddly the quietest of the bunch, but expect that all to change come early 2016 when construction for Toy Story Land and Star Wars Land starts.
We’ll start with Animal Kingdom. I’m obviously a failure as a Disney blogger: not only did I fail to take photos of the Pandora: World of Avatar construction that could be seen looming from the park entrance, but I didn’t take a single photo of a construction wall. Maybe this is because these construction walls are so fancy that they feel like normal theming, or maybe it’s because I’m totally incompetent.
Whatever the case, there’s a lot going on here beyond the out-of-sight Avatar stuff that doesn’t impact the guest experience at all. After experiencing the Pandora: World of Avatar D23 Expo booth this year, I once again reiterated my excitement for this project. (Just remember, bandwagoneers, I’ve been defending this expansion since the beginning, so expect a healthy dose of “I TOLD YOU SO” if it’s as good and popular as I expect. Side note: if it’s not that popular, it’s totally because people don’t “get it” and not because I’m wrong.)
That “a lot going on here” would be the construction for Rivers of Light seating, and also infrastructure changes to the park so it doesn’t become unbearable once a few million additional guests visit it each year. I have no clue how Rivers of Light will operate, logistically, but it seems as if Disney is going for as close to 360-degree viewing as possible. This is the approach taken with Fantasmic at Tokyo DisneySea, but the reality is that, like World of Color, there optimal angles from which to view the show.
I’d expect that to hold true with Rivers of Light, with viewing locations outside of maybe a 45-degree range missing elements of the show. The bad news is that this means a good chunk of the viewing locations being built are sub-optimal. The good news is that Rivers of Light utilizes floating lanterns and live music, which are not so location dependent. It’s unknown if lasers will also be in the show, but lasers are awesome from any angle, so I’d highly recommend it.
Magic Kingdom is wrapping up its hub expansion project (it might actually be totally done now), and it’s looking…I’d say it’s sufficiently executed. This is one of those projects about which I’m not too excited in terms of what it does to the park aesthetically, but the realist in me understands it’s an operational necessity. Given that necessity, I think they’ve done a pretty good job with it. There are some really nice touches, and overall, it looks pretty well done.
Not much to say about the Frozen project in Epcot, either, aside from the fact that it was interesting to hear about this at the D23 Expo in terms of the other developments in Norway. It seems like the team working on the project is trying to make lemonade out of lemons by including as many accurate, real-world Norwegian touches as possible to offset the addition of an attraction set in a fictional location to World Showcase.
Based on the details at the Expo, it seemed almost as if someone high up mandated a Frozen attraction at Walt Disney World, and it was also determined at a high level that Epcot was the most “logical” park for it from the perspective of attendance and allocation of other projects, with WDI then left to pick up the pieces and figure out how to fulfill that mandate. I’m not sure these details, no matter how well done, will be enough to numb the sting of Frozen in World Showcase for many EPCOT Center fans, myself included. It is at least somewhat reassuring to see that those in WDI working on the project “get” EPCOT, and are trying to make the most of a tough assignment.
Then there’s Disney’s Hollywood Studios. The Sorcerer’s Hat and stage are both gone now, so the front of the park has improved via addition by subtraction. As for the rest of the park, it’s subtraction by subtraction. This park didn’t have a ton to do 2 years ago, and the situation is even worse now. It’s bolstered by a solid slate of headliners, but once you get past those 3-4 attractions, the lineup is paltry. Sure, you can spend the entire day here (maybe), but that means enjoying pretty much everything.
By that same token, Animal Kingdom is a 2-day park as opposed to a half day park.
I’ve complained about the cuts in advance of the huge Star Wars Land and Toy Story Land expansion projects ad nauseam, so what I find shocking at this point is that even more cuts are being announced. Some I totally get, and will not complain about at all. As much as I’ll miss them, the Osborne Lights fall into this category. It’s simply not feasible to run them during construction, as the only area of Walt Disney World that is unpopular enough to handle the added foot traffic for the lights is the Streets of America, and that will be a construction site in the very near future.
Well, there is one other unpopular spot, but I’m guessing the animals in Rafiki’s Planet Watch would not be too thrilled about the bright lights. Putting the Osborne Lights in Disney Springs or Future World at Epcot (as some fans have suggested) would be a logistical nightmare, and anyone who has been the the Osborne Lights on a moderately busy night knows this.
One such cut that doesn’t make sense is that of Mulch, Sweat, and Shears. If you asked me how Disney would buoy attendance at the Studios during Star Wars Land and Toy Story Land a few months ago, my response would have been “refreshed stage shows and added entertainment.” Cutting an entertainment act and announcing Club Villain (which many fans assumed was going to be a replacement for Beauty and the Beast Live on Stage when it was being cast) is a hard ticket event has made me rethink that strategy.
My answer is now “heavy marketing and disregard the guest experience.” I feel sorry for any once in a lifetime guest who visits the Studios before 2017.
I wrote back after our May trip that it felt like Disney Springs had turned a corner, and that remains the case, but I wouldn’t say it has turned any other corners (I mean, there are only so many corners to turn) since then, despite the name officially changing to Disney Springs. There are certainly fewer construction walls, and clear progress has been made, but it still feels like an in-between version of the shopping & entertainment district.
This shouldn’t be construed as a bad thing: I very much like what I’ve experienced thus far at Disney Springs, and that it stands as an in-between version means it can really only improve from here. Still, the jury is still out on Disney Springs. On the one hand, whatever the finished product, at this point it’ll definitely be better than Downtown Disney circa 2013. There was a reason this blog mocked Downtown Disney so much, and it wasn’t totally bitterness over the Adventurers Club closing. It was that, and also that Downtown Disney was a poorly laid-out, shadow of its former self. Disney Springs has already fixed a lot of that.
On the other hand, it feels very similar to a lot of high end outdoor malls, except with some Disney in the mix. Thematically, it doesn’t really aspire for much, and although there are specific concepts that are done really well (like Jock Lindsey’s), the overarching theme and design don’t strive for anything more than “nice shopping & entertainment center.” My feelings on this are mixed, and I’d be more okay with it if more venues akin to The Boathouse and Jock Lindsey’s were to open, with fewer generic stores.
I think that covers it in terms of ongoing construction and updates at Walt Disney World. Pretty much right as the Rivers of Light construction wraps up at Animal Kingdom and at Disney Springs next year, more construction starts at Disney’s Hollywood Studios. I’m looking forward to all of the changes, and for regular (annual-ish) visitors to Walt Disney World, it will be well worth the hassle of navigating the sea of construction walls for the next few years when all is said and done.
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YOUR THOUGHTS…
Have any feedback on any of the restaurants at which we dined? Thoughts on Food & Wine Festival? What do you think of current (and upcoming) construction projects, and the state of the parks at Walt Disney World? Any other feedback? We love to hear from readers, so if you have any thoughts or questions, post them in the comments!
My husband and I just returned from a WDW trip in conjunction with running the Food and Wine Half, or half half, I should say. I was hoping the after party would give us short lines for the F&W booths, but it was just like any other night. I was sadly disappointed with the crowds as well as the shortened race course. On the other hand, I never thought I’d see 5 minute waits for Soarin’ and Test Track.
I was wondering if you bring a backpack into the park and you proceed on the ride is there like a little cubbyholes to put your backpack while you’re on the ride or do you need to purchase a locker what is your suggestions on bringing backpacks into the park
We just got back from Disney last night, we were at Epcot on Monday night, it was insanely crowded. The back street boys were playing and there were many intoxicated people.
We enjoyed the few foods we tried, we ate dinner at Via Napoli and it was good, but incredibly noisy.
Food and Wine not my favorite gig.
Oh, you KNOW things get frisky when BACKSTREET’S BACK (ALRIGHT)! 😉
I have to apologize, I said the Back Street Boys were playing, and it was not them it was Boyz 11 Men!
(I got the boy part correct)!
But it was still a crazy drunken fest!
Boyz 11 Men? What happened to the other 9 after Boyz II Men?! 😉 (Sorry, I couldn’t resist!)
Ok Tom, you have to cut me some slack!
I’m a (somewhat) old lady who loves Disney, can’t see very well, and the sign for the group was waaaay down in the American Garden Theater.
Your post got me thinking about the Food & Wine crowds. You know, and I know, just how much Disney loves their hard ticket events these days. What if the made the entire Food & Wine festival a hard ticket event on certain nights? Friday and Saturday night World Showcase closes to gen pop at 8 pm and the special food and wine party begins. For $79.99 adults and $59.99 children, you can have the pleasure of enjoying food and wine without the crowds. Souvenir mug included. Of course, the price of food and drinks are not included. I bet you it would sell-out. And it probably would still be crowded 😉
I think even Disney isn’t willing to go that far to make a buck.
The blowback would be astronomical.
I could see a couple of hard ticket preview nights like this before the official start of F&WF, but it’ll never happen during the festival itself. I think a big part of why it’s so busy at present is the Free Dining crowd (best use of snack credits, by far), and a big chunk of that demographic isn’t going to spring for an additional $40-80 ticket.
I really enjoy these posts with your opinions and perspective on the state of the parks.
Due to poor planning and having two ADRs, I spent a day and a half in HS recently. I didn’t do it all (TSM and RnRC were the attractions I have the most regrets about missing) but there was quite a bit of padding both days. The Great Movie Ride was down at one point, and while waiting to see if the ride would re-open, I spent about 30 minutes looking at the handprints in front of the theater and chatting with a cast member about them. And I went in Muppet Vision 3D at least three times. My biggest Disney fear is that the axe will fall on this attraction at any time. That may be unfounded (Really… chow many more attraction cuts can HS stand?) but at the rate things are going, I wouldn’t put it past Disney to continue the HS attraction purge. Anyway, the strangest thing is that this was the only park this trip we stayed at an entire day without parkhopping. Like I said, this was the result of poor planning more than anything else, but it wasn’t a bad experience.
There are few things at Walt Disney World that I’d describe as a “bad experience,” and enjoying the ambiance at DHS–even right now–is not on that list. It’s not bad by any means, but for a first-time or infrequent visitor, it is far (FAR!) from an optimal use of time. Similarly, it’s really poor value for money as compared to other ways to spend limited vacation time.
That’s all I mean. For regulars or locals, there’s nothing wrong about spending time at DHS. Especially if you want to savor the park the way it is now before the radical changes.
Can’t wait to see all of the reviews! How did you feel about the guacamole at Pecos Bill? Was it legit guacamole, or was it like that weird stuff that Dunkin Donuts and Subway try to pass off as guacamole but is really just gross green mush?
I’d say it’s slightly better than Subway guacamole, but it’s not on par with something you’d find at a Mexican restaurant or something. It’s palatable, but not incredible.
We last visited 2 years ago in the middle of the Food and Wine Festival with children aged 1,5 & 7 years. When we first went to Epcot midweek, it was busy with a number of groups of adults drinking but nothing that detracted from our visit. We returned on a Sunday afternoon and it was awful!! Large numbers of groups of adults – not all young – whose sole purpose was clearly to get drunk. There was nowhere near enough cast members to monitor/deal with the number of drinks being purchased or behaviour. The final straw was when I stood in a queue with my 7 year old, behind 2 college aged students having a loud and totally inappropriate conversation about what they had got up too with their boyfriends the night before!!! I actually stood in queue at customer services to complain. I didn’t object to the sale of alcohol, or people enjoying themselves, but the failure of Disney to provide sufficient staff to deal with the obvious likely outcomes. It was the first time in 30 years of visiting that I had a real feeling of “profit before people”. It made me quite sad.
I was at the Food and Wine Festival tonight and really enjoyed the ambiance it added to World Showcase. I’m not a foodie by any means but it was nice to take a 2 hour photography hike around the lagoon and grab a tasty snack whenever I felt like it. Only downside was that the larger crowd makes getting good photos a bit more difficult.
Food & Wine Festival is perfect for that type of thing if you don’t want to have a full meal. Of course, this only works if the lines for those kiosks aren’t insane!
Tom,
Always like reading your blogs!
I was wondering if it was possible to put the exposure settings for your photos either below or as a mouse-over.
I am an amateur/hobbyist, and am still learning photography. I’ve read Bryan Peterson’s book (thanks to you!). I found it very helpful. Along with your photography posts here and at Travel Caffeine.
I’m sure I’m not the only person that would find it interesting, or see another way to make an exposure.
Thanks for all you do!
Bill
Bill – do you use Chrome? If so, download an extenstion called “EXIF Viewer”. Then, when you mouse over a photo you will see the EXIF information. It’s quite useful.
Thanks Kevin. I’ll try that. 🙂
I read somewhere that the backstage area housing Mulch, Sweat, & Shears’ truck and equipment was part of the construction zone, which is why they got the axe. It’s not a good reason (we’re not talking about a ton of needed space here), but it’s at least a reason.
We got to see some of their final performance and it was nice to see several Disney execs in the audience.
That’s a nice story, but I think it’s just that.
The performers in Mulch were salaried with benefits, and had all been around at Walt Disney World for a while. I wouldn’t be surprised if in a month or so a new act is announced consisting of new contractors.
One thing that excites me about Disney springs is the headliner food options that are emerging. My husband is “not a Disney person” (whatever) but with morimoto and art smith having restaurants at Disney springs I could imagine that being a selling point for him. High end dining with a national reputation is not a bad thing for Disney to develop to diversify its appeal.
I agree about the dining options there. Some really nice stuff, and I’m actually surprised that the Orlando market can sustain some of these options (although I hope it doesn’t happen, I assume some will inevitably accept the Disney Dining Plan).
I realize Disney’s goal is to keep international tourists from going off-site to the other malls and outlets in the area, and to that end, Disney Springs satisfies that goal. I think many people who don’t live by higher-end malls will also be satisfied with Disney Springs, but anyone with a nice mall near them will find it familiar (South Coast Plaza and Irvine Spectrum are our “local” malls, and I’d say they are both just a notch below Disney Springs in terms of design).
Overall, Disney Springs is a huge improvement over what was there, and will fill an important void in the Walt Disney World lineup, it’s just a bit disappointing that it doesn’t aspire for more in terms of theming.