Paid Lightning Lanes & Genie+ Replacing Free FastPass at Disney World
Walt Disney World officially announced free FastPass+ is permanently retired, to be replaced by paid Genie+ and Lightning Lane line-skipping access soon. This post shares what WDW has revealed is coming to Magic Kingdom, Epcot, Hollywood Studios, and Animal Kingdom. Plus, our commentary on impact to crowds & standby wait times, winners & losers, and comparisons to MaxPass, Premier Access, and more.
There’s a ton of ground to cover here, so we will very quickly recap what has happened in the last year with FastPass+ at Walt Disney World. Prior to the reopening, Disney temporarily suspended FastPass and a range of other things, many of which have since returned. Officially, the explanation given was to utilize the queue space for physical distancing.
That’s not quite how it worked in practice, but that’s immaterial to this post. For the last several months, physical distancing has been gone, with skyrocketing crowds and wait times over the summer–and similar forecasts for October through December. As such, Walt Disney World has announced a permanent paid replacement for free FastPass+, which will launch around the start of the World’s Most Magical Celebration for Walt Disney World’s 50th Anniversary on October 1, 2021. (As always, see our Guide to Walt Disney World’s 50th Anniversary for more info!)
Per Walt Disney World, the Genie app is coming in Fall 2021 as a complimentary and convenient new digital service designed to make planning easier, offer more flexibility, and better tools to help you make the most of your visit. Walt Disney World has made significant investments in this new technology, which guides you through the theme parks with tips that can help you reduce time in lines, discover new things, and take the guesswork out of your day.
Built right into the My Disney Experience app, the Disney Genie service will maximize your park time, so you can have more fun. It includes a personalized itinerary feature that will quickly and seamlessly map out an entire day. From specific attractions, foodie experiences and entertainment, to general interests like Disney princesses, villains, Pixar, Star Wars, thrill rides and more — just tell Disney Genie what you want to do and it will do the planning for you.
Here are a few more features of the Disney Genie app feature in My Disney Experience:
- Get Itinerary Updates from Morning to Night: Disney Genie will continue to update your itinerary throughout your day, so you can be more spontaneous and go with the flow.
- Find Your Favorites at a Glance: Create your very own personal tip board to instantly see your favorites. It will display current AND forecasted future wait times, helping you predict when you might experience quicker entry to attractions.
- Enjoy More Flexibility and Fun: Disney Genie brings existing planning features together in one place. Join a virtual queue at certain attractions, make dining and experience reservations, mobile order food at many locations, get help from a virtual assistant and more.
For even more convenience and flexibility, there are two other options for enjoying the four Walt Disney World theme parks, through the Lightning Lane queue, which will replace FastPass+ queues at Walt Disney World:
- Disney Genie+ service (available for purchase): For the price of $15 per ticket per day at Walt Disney World Resort, you can choose the next available time to arrive at a variety of attractions and experiences using the Lightning Lane entrance. You can make one selection at a time, throughout the day — from classics like Haunted Mansion to thrill rides like Big Thunder Mountain Railroad and newer favorites like Millennium Falcon: Smugglers Run. This convenient option is the next evolution of the fan-favorite Disney MaxPass service. Disney Genie+ will also include Disney parks-themed audio experiences and photo features to capture your memories, such as augmented reality lenses that transform objects at Walt Disney World.
- Individual attraction selections (available for purchase a la carte): Schedule a time to arrive at up to two highly demanded attractions each day using the Lightning Lane entrance, like Seven Dwarfs Mine Train at Magic Kingdom (subject to limited availability; attractions not included with Disney Genie+). Pricing for this option will vary by date, attraction and park and will be announced closer to launch.
Lightning Lane selections will be made on the same day of your visit and can be used across multiple theme parks, and will support the Park Hopper option. Guests staying at a Walt Disney World resort hotel will be able to purchase and schedule an individual Lightning Lane attraction at 7 am, ahead of off-site guests, who will be able to do so when the park opens.
All guests will be able to make their first Genie+ selection at 7 am on the day of their visit, regardless of whether staying off-site or on-site. Subsequent selections will follow the legacy FastPass “rules.”
Annual Passholders will be able to purchase Lightning Lane or add Genie+ on a per-day basis, just like regular theme park ticket holders. At launch, there will not be a yearly add-on option for Genie+ for Walt Disney World APs. (That seems likely to come at some point in the not-too-distant future, though.)
In addition to the Lightning Lanes, all attractions will continue to offer a traditional standby queue or a virtual queue, available at select attractions like Star Wars: Rise of the Resistance and Remy’s Ratatouille Adventure once that opens in Epcot on October 1, 2021.
While unclear from the official announcement, it’s our understanding that the 2 most popular attractions in each park will be sold a la carte and not available via Genie+. All other previous FastPass attractions will be exclusively available via Genie+ and not sold individually (so it’s an either/or thing).
With Disney Genie+ and Lightning Lane, FastPass+ will be retired. You can choose from all new options, a mix of them or none at all, and continue to have a great experience no matter how you decide to plan your day at Walt Disney World.
Walt Disney World is also making some enhancements to the Disability Access Service (DAS) program, including new options to enroll in the program pre-arrival and for DAS participants to select attractions directly in the app. These options will be available in addition to the existing, in-person DAS program.
This all might sound confusing, and it is. We’re going to distinguish between Genie+ and Lightning Lanes as if they’re two separate products (and disregard the free Genie app feature entirely). In reality, Lightning Lanes are the replacement for physical FastPass queues, and are accessible via the flat-rate Genie+ app feature or a la carte purchases. For now, it’s simply easier and clearer to refer to one as Genie+ and the other as Lightning Lanes. We wouldn’t be surprised if that becomes the common practice among fans and the general public, as well.
With that out of the way, here’s how we feel about Lightning Lanes, both via Genie+ and a la carte purchases…
Our Commentary
Before sitting down to write the commentary, we combed through the most controversial Walt Disney World news stories of the last decade-plus that we’ve been writing this blog. Judging by reader reactions, the single biggest “tipping point” was when Walt Disney World first introduced overnight parking fees for its resorts.
While a lot of internet angst is bluster, that decision actually led to plenty of fans staying off-site. We personally know a few people who visit annually and have sworn off on-site hotels ever since. Outrage over the introduction of paid FastPass–and the number of fans for whom this truly is the last straw–will likely surpass the introduction of per-night parking charges.
With that in mind, we’re approaching this commentary delicately, treading as lightly as possible. We know so many loyal and lifelong Walt Disney World fans are going to be devastated by this news. Genie+ and Lightning Lane might be the end of the road–or at least result in lifelong visitors going through the five stages of grief. With that said, one thought has kept running through our minds since hearing the details of Genie+ and Lightning Lane.
This could have been so much worse.
That’s not to minimize any anger or try to spin this in a positive light. Even if I wanted to do that (I don’t), that would overlook one of life’s most fundamental principles: money talks, BS walks.
You know that the Genie+ system, no matter how magical the marketing puffery, will cost money and FastPass+ was free. That’s it–bottom line–period.
It’s only to say that paid FastPass has been an inevitability at Walt Disney World for a while–long before the closure and “temporary” suspension of FastPass+ we’ve been warning readers that this would happen and urging people to prepare for this day. The writing has been on the wall for almost 4 years, with the first trial run being offered to Club Level guests. During that time, Disneyland launching MaxPass to great success, and other parks sold FastPass bundles.
Then came the D23 Expo two summers ago, and the announcement of the Genie app for Walt Disney World. While pitched vaguely, the purpose of Genie was to up-sell guests and assist in crowd management. There was no other reason for Disney to invest in yet another new app unless it will offer direct ROI.
Over the last several months, there have been credible rumors of competing proposals for paid FastPass, including the system now in use at Disneyland Paris. In recent weeks, we’ve heard specifics on several, and all were worse than this, offering fewer benefits and higher price points. In fact, whether you’ve been closely following the paid FastPass rumors or have just assumed free FastPass+ would return probably strongly impacts your initial response to this.
Those in the former camp might be breathing a sigh of relief or thinking paid FastPass is not as bad as you feared. By contrast, Walt Disney World fans who expected free FastPass+ to be reinstated might be heartbroken right now. Different stages of grief and all that.
We have processed this grief before, as Disneyland locals back when MaxPass was first announced. At first, we were vehemently opposed to MaxPass on principle. Among other things, we feared the introductory pricing would increase and MaxPass would put those not paying the upcharge at a distinct disadvantage. It felt like a cash grab.
Then we used MaxPass and were hooked. All of those concerns didn’t magically vanish, but in practice the system worked very well, while offering strategic benefits to tourists with limited time who were willing to make a relatively minor splurge (in the grand scheme of a Disneyland vacation). On balance, MaxPass struck us as a net positive, albeit a “warts and all” one.
While there are obvious similarities between Genie+ and MaxPass, there are also glaring differences. Namely, MaxPass had a free alternative–legacy paper FastPass that anyone could use. It didn’t offer quite the same upsides, but with a bit of hustle, Disneyland guests who didn’t pay extra could still put in the “work” and beat the crowds.
That’s a distinction that absolutely cannot be overlooked. Most Walt Disney World fans could probably stomach some form of paid FastPass if it didn’t come at the expense of the free system. Or if there were legitimate and worthwhile perks for on-site hotel guests. Making FastPass upcharge or nothing means a very different response.
As for how Genie+ and Lightning Lanes will impact standby wait times and the guest experience at Walt Disney World, that depends on how many guests make those purchases. As a reminder, the ballpark FastPass-to-standby ratio was 80:20–meaning that for every 10 parties boarding an attraction, 8 were pulled from the FastPass queue and 2 were pulled from standby. This is why standby lines moved at a snail’s pace with FastPass, and move constantly without it. That 80:20 ratio also meant that a lot of guests were taking advantage of FastPass+, which should be no surprise given that it was free.
In our most recent analysis of Premier Access at Disneyland Paris, we discussed utilization rate of that, predicting that only a small percentage of guests (5% for some attractions) would purchase the a la carte upcharge as compared to those who utilized the free FastPass system.
Walt Disney World charging individually for only a couple of headliners in each park changes the equation a bit. It’s a smart move on Disney’s part to make those the only a la carte upcharges and bundle everything else. Those attractions are the ones first-time and infrequent guests are more likely to splurge to experience. The more competitive (as compared to Paris) price range also suggests to me that Walt Disney World will have a greater degree of success in upselling the a la carte Lightning Lane.
However, I’d still expect fewer than 20% of all guests to buy individual Lightning Lane access. Of course, it’ll vary based on posted wait times, season, etc. If the ratio is 20:80 (essentially flipping FastPass numbers), that’ll mean shorter standby waits in constantly moving lines. I don’t want to rehash that entire analysis since this is already going to be long, but buying individual line skipping access is going to be a non-starter for the vast majority of guests for a variety of reasons.
Genie+ is a different ballgame entirely and will undoubtedly be purchased by a significantly higher percentage of guests. As discussed in that same prior analysis, we predicted that Walt Disney World would use some form of bundle because it obfuscates per attraction costs and since all-inclusive packages are incredibly popular with Walt Disney World’s guest demographics. Genie+ is that bundle, and it’s a savvy one.
Again, the comparison to the former MaxPass system makes sense. Prior to the price increase on MaxPass early last year, I had heard MaxPass was viewed as an incredible success by the company due to its high adoption rate, which was still under half of all guests. This was with every attraction included in the system, and Disneyland having far greater ‘ride density’ than three parks at Walt Disney World.
Moreover, Disneyland’s demographics are incredibly different from Walt Disney World’s. In addition to significantly more Annual Passholders, the average length of visit is significantly shorter, and per guest spending is lower because the overwhelming majority of visitors stay off-site, tourists included.
It’s thus much more palatable for a family to splurge on efficiency if the total cost is an extra $160 for the duration of a shorter trip–especially when that family only spent $150 per night on a hotel within walking distance of the parks and can easily eat 2 meals per day off-property.
At Walt Disney World, guests are generally visiting for significantly longer periods of time and spending more on accommodations and food. The surcharge for duration-of-trip efficiency via Genie+ would be $300 for the average family, and could be $420 or more for those doing longer vacations. Again, that’s on top of higher base vacation costs, meaning many families will already be nearer their budget limit and either need to reallocate spending or splurge even more.
It’s easy to say the total trip cost for Genie+ is still less expensive for a family than a single After Hours event, and those have been selling out. That’s definitely a valid (and selling!) point. However, that’s still a comparatively niche offering with significantly smaller potential market than a service like Genie+. It’s very difficult to predict how many guests will initially purchase and use Genie+, but my ballpark guess would be about 33% on any given day with variances based on crowds, etc. Probably generally higher for Magic Kingdom and lower for the other parks.
This is an initial adoption rate, with my prediction being that Genie+ use and “favorability” will increase over time. The initial response will be overwhelmingly negative, just as it was at Disneyland when MaxPass was announced. In addition to being upset by something previously being free now costing money, many will lament the loss of pre-planning their FastPass+ selections and having the peace of mind in knowing they have certain popular attractions “locked-in” prior to their trips.
To be sure, there are FastPass+ power users and diehard planners who will remain entrenched in that belief. Those Walt Disney World fans likely are disproportionate readers of blogs like this one. However, that’s a vocal minority of all guests–far from a majority. Most average guests plan days in advance–or even upon arrival–not 6 months ahead of time.
For first-timers, Walt Disney World vacations are a morass of convoluted policies and things to know. These guests will likely favor Genie+ as it levels the playing field to a degree. To them, a paid system will be better than a free one where they’re shut out of most popular attractions because they’re not seasoned on the ins and outs of FastPass booking.
Nevertheless, we’d expect many ride or die FastPass+ fans to eventually give Genie+ a try and come around on it. No matter how staunchly anyone might oppose Genie+ now, history bears this out. At Walt Disney World, the original FastPass was controversial among fans in 1999, before becoming beloved. FastPass+ was likewise a reviled replacement among fans who had mastered the paper FastPass system.
Disneyland’s launch of MaxPass is an even better example given the similarities between Genie+ and that. The initial announcement was met with outrage and complaints, but its use and popularity quickly increased as Disneyland diehards used it in the parks. We know because that was us! After hating it, we actually used MaxPass, were hooked on it, and became MaxPass cheerleaders.
The lazy commentary here would be that “Disney fans are resistant to change.” While true, there’s (again) the critical distinction that something free is being lost and replaced by a paid-only option. (Even with MaxPass, there was still a very viable free alternative.) Nevertheless, the best and easiest way for Walt Disney World to dispel a lot of complaints would be to bundle “free” Genie+ into hotel discounts this fall and winter. There’s no better way to win skeptics over and get fans “hooked” on Genie+.
Finally, there’s how this impacts on-site guests. We’ve been discussing Walt Disney World’s Disappearing On-Site Advantage for years now. Several changes have been announced in the last several months–end of Disney’s Magical Express, Extra Magic Hours transforming into early entry and extended evening hours, no free MagicBands–that will push more guests off-site.
It’s too early to say how the ~2 hour advance booking window for individual Lightning Lane attractions will change that equation. This is obviously a much shorter timeframe than in the past under FastPass+ and will essentially offer a one ride head-start…assuming there’s so much demand that Lightning Lane attractions sell out, which I doubt will happen.
I’m inclined to predict the totality of the aforementioned changes will negatively impact on-site occupancy in 2022, but not immediately. Walt Disney World’s 50th Anniversary will buoy bookings for at least October through December.
Personally, if it came down to splurging on a Disney hotel or staying off-site and using the money saved on lodging for things like Genie+, nicer meals, special events, etc., that’s what I’d do. It’s becoming increasingly difficult to justify the prices Walt Disney World is charging for its resorts. (Then again, Disney could quickly “correct” this by rolling out Free Dining or other deals if occupancy numbers slip in 2022.)
Regardless, if you’ve never even considered venturing outside the “Disney Bubble,” we would strongly encourage you to rethink that and check out our Off-Site v. On-Site Walt Disney World Hotel Comparison for a balanced assessment of the pros & cons. We are in the process of doing stays at every Universal Orlando resort, and will have those reviews starting in the coming weeks.
Ultimately, that’s a lot of analysis for something that hasn’t even launched yet and is still a developing story. We’ll have more follow-up commentary based on new details that will inevitably emerge, reader questions & concerns, and more. In the meantime, our past articles about the return or replacement of FastPass+ and Premier Access announcement contain a lot of relevant commentary.
Personally, I don’t think Genie+ or Lightning Lanes will be cataclysmic or have as negative of consequences for those who don’t buy the “paid FastPasses” as many fans anticipate. To the contrary, I think this will result in a better standby line experience with constantly-moving lines and (generally) shorter wait times for most guests. Similarly, Genie+ will be a superior system for those who were not FastPass+ power users–so again, most guests.
My biggest disappointment is that Genie+ and Lightning Lanes are entirely paid, replacing something that was entirely free. That’s impossible to overlook. Moreover, this seems like a continuation of upcharge and nickel & diming practices that I hate. There’s also the reality that Walt Disney World is selling solutions to problems it has created. Over the years, fans have bought into the lie that Walt Disney World is raising prices to reduce crowds; as with ticket price increases, that’ll likely be one “positive” narrative that emerges from this.
However, Walt Disney World has also slashed park hours while attendance has increased by several millions of guests per year, cut entertainment and other crowd-absorbing offerings. If Walt Disney World really were concerned with controlling crowds (they aren’t), increasing operating hours, improving ride capacity, bringing back entertainment & shows, or opening more attractions would be the best solutions. Genie+ and Lightning Lane will offer a better experience for some guests, but it’s hard to muster much praise when the more obvious solutions that would improve things for everyone are not being undertaken.
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YOUR THOUGHTS
What do you think of Genie+ and Lightning Lanes? Better, worse, or about the same as you expected? Will you purchase the bundled access, a la carte line-skipping, neither, or both? Do you prefer fast-moving standby lines only, or the FastPass and standby combo? Interested in how Walt Disney World will implement the new system? Agree or disagree with our assessment? Other thoughts or concerns? Any questions we can help you answer? Hearing your feedback–even when you disagree with us–is both interesting to us and helpful to other readers, so please share your thoughts below in the comments!
Ugh. They’re touting “40+” experiences available for Lightning Lane throughout all 4 parks. That’s wayyy down from the near-70 attractions that had fastpass just before the shutdown. So I guess we can expect about 20 attractions to longer have a FP/LL option?
Wonder how they plan on handling ride breakdowns now that you are paying for the privilege of a tier 1 ride. If your designated time is available do they have to refund your money?
Thanks very much for the update and info. Lots of unknowns here. So far it seems that, relative to the FastPass era, this system favors
1. Shorter trips (or fewer park days)
2. Off-site stays
3. Early risers on east coast time
4. Those willing to pay an upcharge but not willing to pay club level prices for extra fastpasses or VIP tours
5. Less advance planning
My family hits some, but not all of these criteria. There are many families who lose in every category listed above, and Genie could be a real dealbreaker (though we just don’t know how this will shake out yet!).
I will miss the lower prices, lower crowds and seasoned hacks of the Great Recession/FastPass+ era, and I’m in “wait and see” mode about how we will adjust our trip frequency/duration/strategy going forward.
Just watched the official video. At the 5:07 mark, you can see that Space Mountain is the other MK ride that you’ll have to pay to get a Lightning Lane for. At least they make it clear – most rides say “Lightning Lane included with Disney Genie+” while Mine Train and Space Mountain say “Lightning Lane Purchase”. I hope they do limit that to two per park. You just have to do Space Mountain at rope drop since everyone heads to Mine Train first, then do Mine Train at park close when the line will be shorter.
Im thinking Genie+ will be offered as a single purchase like Park Hopper and you’ll have the option to add it to your ticket package. It would be all or nothing and you won’t be able to choose which days you want it. That would only benefit the guest and not Disney and we can’t allow that to happen. Hah.
As for using Genie+, everyone is obv going to be choosing the same handful of rides since the 2 most popular rides will already be excluded. When that happens, the first available time for some of the Genie+ rides won’t be early in the day unless you get lucky, especially at the parks with less attractions like Epcot or AK. So for example, it’s 9 AM and the first available time for Space Mountain is 2 pm or later (assuming you don’t need to pay for Space Mountain individually). If you choose it, you’re stuck in the standby lines for the next 5+ hrs and you’re not really benefiting from Genie+. You might get to use it only a few more times on some of the other popular rides. I guess that’s like using the standard 3 FP’s previously offered. However, this is a downgrade for my family because we always had success with securing a FP for 3 of the most popular rides early in the day and then we would book 1 FP at a time from there. But we at least knew going in that we had those 3 popular rides secured. Now it’s more of an unknown since you can’t book in advance. I can’t imagine it’s going to be a common scenario where you can pick and choose one popular ride after another except on days where the crowds are extremely low.
The alternative would be to use Genie+ for some of the less popular rides to try and save some time throughout the day and just take a chance of getting on the popular rides later in the evening or wait for them in the standby lines. But the less popular rides would have shorter standby lines to begin with so how much are you really benefiting for the increase in cost? I guess we’ll see how this plays out. This is where Tom will be able to help us out by reporting on his experiences.
After 30+ trips to WDW, I am done. The magic is gone and my money will be better spent elsewhere.
We were die hard disney fans and go every year but this new news is horrible. Disney is sll about money now. The magic is gone. It is pay more and get less no magical express no free fast passes. I think we will be die hard universal fans from now on
Thank you so much for such a detailed explanation and commentary! I am in the “it could have been a lot worse” camp!
@Zoe Clayton
You said you’re looking forward to getting up each day and deciding what park you’ll go to. I’m afraid this won’t be the case. We have a trip planned for January and they are still requiring you have a park reservation for each day. So will they require you have a valid park reservation for corresponding park before trying to get in the PAID que for Rise of the Resistance, or Flight of Passage? That’s exactly what they’re doing now for Rise of the Resistance. Chapek is trying to spin the Genie as wonderful, but in reality it will be a sure way to ruin a vacation, especially if you’re like us, traveling with college kids during their school breaks, which is high season. Getting up at 6:45 am every day on vacation to compete with 100,000 other people trying to secure a Lightning pass for a favorite ride doesn’t sound like a vacation, it sounds like a nightmare.
I started going to Disney in 1974. No fast pass until about 1999. No Magical Express until the early 2000’s. We are going back in time. We experienced Disney before Fast Pass and will experience it again after Fast Pass. Of course, crowds are bigger, lines are longer, ticket is more expensive. I am hoping a lot of people will pay the extra for G+ and LL. That will make the stand-by lanes shorter.
I’m oddly pleased about this, for clarity I should say I’m from England so already pay a lot to travel to WDW so will not be paying the $60 to pay for fast passes for all our family everyday. But I am looking forward to getting up in a morning and saying “ what park shall we do today “ rather than having to do the one we picked 60 days ago for our fast passes, and also to walk down Main Street and look at all the details the imagineers put into the whole of WDW rather than run through a hot park as our fast pass expires in 5 minutes!. Over the last decade our trips have become a little less magical and more a feat of endurance, so for our trip in 2022 I’m looking forward to a return to the olden days
I visit from the UK and we often visit for 10-14 days.
I don’t want to wake up at 6:45 every morning on my vacation to try and get a pass for a ride.
Disney days are long, especially if doing an after hours party or watching fireworks. To then have to wake up early the next day to get on an app to try and secure riding a favourite with minimal queuing is not very vacation friendly.
I had hoped that Disney would offer something similar to Universal, with one time queue jump tickets included in deluxe hotel rooms.
As you said in your article, the perks for onsite stays are disappearing rapidly. Travelling from the UK, paying $20 to park daily for a 2 week vacation and then having to wake at 6:45 every day to do something I could previously do at home 60 days out just doesn’t appeal to me.
Wow, that’s… confusing. So you use Genie, or pay for Genie+. But to get Lightning Lane (which everyone will still call Fastpass) you have to pay for Genie+, except that doesn’t give you access to all Lightning Lane attractions, you have to pay extra for some of them, but you can pay extra for those with just Genie and without Genie+. And this is a subset of the My Disney Experience app. Oh, and by the way, you should have got up at 7am to book your Lightning Lane selections with Genie (if you’re staying on site) but can only book them on park opening if you’re staying offsite. But you can make your Lightning Lane bookings at 7am if you’re using Genie+ regardless of where you’re staying.
Imagine a frazzled cast member trying to explain that to hundreds of people a day who just want a fastpass.
The genius of the original Fastpass was that it was so simple – go to the machine, put in a ticket, get a return time. Sure, there was additionl nuance for the experienced user, but that was the gist of it. Even then, it was confusing for a lot of people, who then lost out as they spent more time in line. Imagine how they’re going to find this.
WDW is just getting too difficult, too complicated, too “insider” for most people, and this is a step in the wrong direction IMO.
I disagree that this could have been worst, this IS THE worst possible system.
Prices in Disneyland Paris are so outragious that it will have a very small adoption, especially for second tier attractions. I can see very few families to pay around $50 for one ride on a 20 year old attraction like Buzz Lightyear, which means almost all capacity will go to standby.
$15 per day per person is cheap enough to guarantee a wider adoption, which means a good portion of capacity will go to the paid option. How much is not dependent on how many people will buy it, Disney will probably assign a lot of capacity to Genie+ in the early months to create positive buzz. People with Genie+ will be able to reserve slots with minimal notice and ride a lot of attranctions per day. Won’t be 80-20 perhaps, but I guess at least 50% of capacity will go to Genie+.
So we’ll have low capacity for stand by for second tier attractions while at the same time the need to pay for the super headliners an extra that won’t be cheap. They’d be crazy non to ask in the region of $20 for ONE ride of RIse of the Resistance or Flight of passage.
The result is that while in Paris there might be perhaps some problems with just a few attractions (the few that people might consider pay for), in WDW it will be widespread, every attraction will have reduced capacity and if you want to skip very long lines, you’ll need to pay over $50 per day (the cost of two a la carte options and Genie+).
Let’s see what a typical Disney vacation might be like…..set alarm every morning for 6:50am. Frantically try to get passes for teenage kids favorite rides. Fail in attempt. Mom feels guilty. Kids feel disappointed. Dad feels remorse for paying thousands of dollars for a vacation where everyone is unhappy. Next day, again set alarm for 6:50 am. This time succeed in getting paid passes for kids’ favorite ride. Dad is upset that mom just spent another 100 bucks to give the family 10 minutes of thrills. Dad mopes. Mom feels guilty. Sounds like WORST.VACATION.EVER.
Bring on the Universal coverage!. Thanks to all the higher prices coupled with reduced offerings at Disney, we decided to purchase Universal Annual Passes for the first time. We’ll be there for a couple of weeks and venturing outside the bubble as we did during May earlier this year. Our visit in August 2020 was enjoyable simply because the parks were practically empty but I refuse to continue giving Disney more money while they provide less. Maybe we’ll bump into you at Universal!
This is a Disney mother’s worst nightmare. Disney has succeeded in writing the perfect plan for ruining our annual Disney vacations. Setting the alarm every day at 6:45 am in hopes of succeeding in the often frustrating race to get a PAID pass to ride Flight of a Passage or Rise of the Resistance, or another favorite ride that you’ve been looking forward to all year, only to be exasperated and frustrated when you don’t succeed. Many will be left with disappointed kids and with that disappointment overshadowing the remainder of their Disney day. I’d much rather know 60 days in advance if we’ll be riding those rides. Then there’s the fact that we must continue that on the spot stress-scheduling via cell phones all day long through the Genie App. A vacation where I have to enter a 6:45am virtual rat race every morning of my vacation, and have to stay glued to my cell phone all day long scheduling rides? No thanks, Disney. We’ve been loyal annual Disney vacationers for over 25 years and DVC members. This IS our tipping point. BITTERLY DISAPPOINTED.
I agree that I mostly feel relief and a sense of not hating it as much as I expected to. I’m not happy that all “free” options are closed off, but the price point is at least lower than I’ve seen for comparable services at other major parks.
I will say the one silver lining in this for me is the end of planning FP+ months in advance. I know that’s likely an unpopular opinion, but I’ve hated that aspect of the system since it was put in place. I barely know what I want for lunch tomorrow; locking myself into what rides I will go on in what order three months in advance was always a total shot in the dark and I’d end up throwing them away and rebooking them day-of more than half the time anyway. And, too, this January I’m taking a large group of friends on what is a first time visit for many of them, and they all thought the advance FP+ selection process was absolutely nuts when I explained it to them. It’s an incredible relief not to have to get buy-in from seven people on, again, I can’t stress this enough, which theme park ride they want to go on three months after the day I’m asking them about it (longer, actually, to be prepared to go online and make the bookings).
So that’s one win in my book. And, unfortunately, I’ll end up giving Disney exactly what they want by buying into this system to make that huge group trip as smooth as possible. Whether I’ll buy in on repeat visits remains to be seen.
Emma Jane, if you can sit in a wheelchair, you most likely will not qualify for a disability pass (DAS). However, you should still see if you can get one. Call Disney disability at 407-560-2547 or send an email to [email protected]. You can also go the Disney Food Blog. Right now, they have a post about the disability pass. Hope this helps.
At some point in the next couple of years the worldwide debt bubble will pop and spending at Disney Parks will be affected. But right now they can pretend.