You Do NOT Need to Get Up at 7 am for Genie+
One big complaint about Genie+ is that it “forces” Walt Disney World guests to get up early in order to book their first ride reservation at 7 am. This post tests whether that theory is accurate, with a look at Lightning Lane availability later in the morning and when you actually “need” to make first selections for each park. (Updated April 30, 2023.)
I think we can all agree that Genie+ has its share of problems. Paying for what used to be free stings, there have been issues with user interface, and so many policy quirks and changes that it’s tough to stay on top of everything. For many planners, Genie+ would be a step backwards as compared to FastPass+ even if it were free. (But again, it is not.)
With that said, it does no one any good to exaggerate the system’s shortcomings, problems, and woes. Yes, it stinks that a formerly free service was replaced by something that costs money. It’s also true at the same time that not everything about Genie+ is awful. Each subsequent change is not bad news. The service is not wholly irredeemable or without value. The sky is not falling.
There have been a number of tweaks made in the last year to make Genie+ better and easier to use. The addition of the modify button is a huge improvement that improves the service considerably. Beyond that, Lightning Lane availability is better and the service is generally less glitchy.
Among some Walt Disney World fans, there is a seemingly reflexive reaction to announcements or updates on Genie+ that seeks to vindicate their preconceived opinions and validate their anger. Each mention of Genie’s name summons more hostility and outrage. There isn’t even an internal logic to it–if Genie is truly the worst thing ever, it should stand to reason that it’ll likely benefit from tweaking and iteration. Nope. Bad begets more bad.
In part, this just seems to be the way things are nowadays. Everything is either awful or awesome. People form snap judgments and don’t deviate from entrenched positions. They’re either team X or Y, with little middle ground. Obviously, this extends far beyond Disney. Just as it isn’t healthy in other aspects of life…it isn’t here, either.
Again, Genie+ has a lot of problems and shortcomings, all while it continues to increase in price as compared to launch. This isn’t to minimize any of that. Fortunately, as has been explained in myriad posts, you can either leverage it to your advantage or use alternative approaches and avoid the whole thing!
Admittedly, some of the fault lies with us. We’ve shared a lot of strategy to leverage paid FastPass for maximum benefit and become power users of the system. Although we’ve repeatedly offered the caveat that advanced-level knowledge is not necessary for the vast majority of people, the mere existence of so much strategy nevertheless creates pressure.
Even beyond Genie+ and Lightning Lanes, this is something with which we’ve grappled. It might not show from some posts, but we are relatively laid back and spontaneous travelers ourselves when doing things for fun. Our aim is to give you the tools to think differently and beat the crowds so you can get more out of your vacation and enjoy time with your family. With few exceptions, we’re not presenting strict strategy that must be memorized and followed meticulously. (When I say that I hate spreadsheets, I mean it.)
Ideally, the goal is more “teaching you to fish” than anything–putting you in a position to understand how to approach the parks and Walt Disney World’s many convoluted and quirky policies/systems/etc.
We’re cognizant that it doesn’t always work that way in practice. The FOMO machine drives so much of the mindset behind Walt Disney World vacation planning. The substance of an Early Entry at DHS strategy post detailing why that’s superior to Lightning Lanes might carry less weight than the volume of posts about the Genie+ service.
It’s a tough and sometimes delicate balance. My goal is to present a level-headed and honest look at the good, bad, and ugly of Walt Disney World with minimal sensationalism and hyperbole. In furtherance of that, I tend to think more information is better than less, but sometimes that can be perceived differently.
I’m probably just rambling at this point, so I’ll cut this short. First of all, contrary to the fears of many fans, you do not need to be up at midnight to purchase Genie+ or else risk it being sold out at 7 am. As of Spring 2023, Genie+ has sold out exactly 7 times ever, and not once has it sold out before park opening. The earliest it has ever sold out, so far, is 9:45 am and that was during the peak of Easter week. Unless you’re visiting during the weeks of Thanksgiving, Christmas, or New Year’s Eve, there is zero risk of Genie+ selling out before park opening for the remainder of 2023.
So you don’t need to be up to purchase Genie+ before 7 am, nor do you need to be up at 7 am to make your first Lightning Lane selection. The whole point here is to relieve some of the pressure Walt Disney World visitors may feel to get up right at 7 am, use speed strategy, advanced stacking techniques, and so forth. Genie+ does not need to be so complicated, or have high stakes. You do not need to get up at 7 am, or even during the 7 am hour.
When Walt Disney World fans assume they must book at 7 am or be at a huge disadvantage, this is often due to a fundamental (yet oddly persistent) misunderstanding of How the Genie+ 120 Minute Rule Works at Walt Disney World.
As a reminder the clock on this does not start ticking at 7 am (or whenever your first early morning ride reservation is made). The clock starts *at* park opening. If you make your first Lightning Lane selection at 7:00 am, booking Slinky Dog Dash with a 2 pm to 3 pm return window, and Disney’s Hollywood Studios opens for the day at 8:30 am, you can make your next Lightning Lane selection via Genie+ at 10:30 am.
Someone who made their first DHS Lightning Lane selection with a return window of 3-4 pm at 8:29 am can also make their next pick at 10:30 am. Both of you are in the exact same position. In other words, the next round for both examples is 120 minutes after 8:30 am.
Accordingly, it follows that the pertinent consideration is Lightning Lane inventory between 7 am and park opening times. If availability is still good for the most popular attractions, there isn’t much of–or any–disadvantage to sleeping in a little and booking during the 8 am hour. That’s what the screenshots here showcase, with commentary sprinkled in.
It’s not entirely fair to say that inventory is the only thing that matters. After all, the way Genie+ ride reservations work is that you can book one at a time, and can either make another selection after two hours (120 minutes) or once you tap into your previous Genie+ selection, whichever comes first.
As such, if you’re able to book a Lightning Lane return time within the first two hours that the park is open, you’ll usually be able to book another as soon as you tap into your first selection. Meaning that if you somehow scored Slinky Dog Dash for 8:45 am to 9:45 am, you could book your second Lightning Lane as early as 8:45 am and get a slight jumpstart on everyone else.
This offers an advantage, but with a few caveats. First, if you prioritize sleeping in on vacation–the whole reason for avoiding the ~6:45 am Genie+ alarm–it’s probably not a paramount concern. You likely wouldn’t make it to the park that early if you’re not up by 7 am, anyway.
Second, truly savvy strategy usually won’t have you returning to Lightning Lanes during the first ~90 minutes the parks are open–that’s prime time for using standby lines to beat the crowds. You’re not going to want to return to Slinky Dog Dash–or any other ride reservation–that early. (Now, 9:45 am at DHS is a different story–lines are starting to get longer by then. So there is still some upside.)
Finally, anyone booking their second Lightning Lane an hour or so after park opening is almost certainly going to have a return time more than 2 hours into the future, thus subjecting that to the 120 minute rule. At best, they have a 30-45 minute head-start and get a slightly earlier return time for attraction #2 of the day.
That’s not nothing, but it is relatively insignificant over the course of the day. That’s especially true at the parks that are not Disney’s Hollywood Studios, where availability for headliner attractions lasts a lot longer. (EPCOT can be another challenge, as scoring Lightning Lanes for both Frozen Ever After and Remy’s Ratatouille Adventure without making a reservation at 7 am relies on luck with cancellations or ride reservation refills.)
Speaking of which, this also does not take into account Lightning Lane refills, which are going to be a main means of scoring selections at popular attractions later in the day. (See Ride Reservation Refill Rules at Walt Disney World for more on this added availability throughout the day.)
By pure luck/accident, we actually hit one of these while grabbing screenshots for this article. As you can see, Slinky Dog Dash was ‘refilled’ shortly before 8:30 am. This didn’t go quickly, and it still had availability at 8:55 am. (Although not pictured, even past 9:30 am!)
It’s entirely possible–and not at all uncommon–that someone who got up early for the 7:00:00 am Slinky scramble would have a later return time (or miss out entirely) while someone who got up over an hour later would have better success. (To address another misconception: you would have the same success with refills regardless of party size. It does not matter whether you’re a party of 1 or 100.)
In other words, someone who books their first Lightning Lane right at 7 am is not going to be running around the park stacking up dozens of Lightning Lanes while you’re asleep, depleting the ride reservation inventory and rendering Genie+ useless before you’ve even made your first selection.
At best, they will have access to better return times for certain attractions and the ability to tap into their first selection before the park opening 120 minute rule window elapses. That is an advantage, especially when it comes to popular #2 priority attractions that go fast. However, it’s one of degrees and also assumes some speed strategy skill or luck in getting that early return window.
In practice, it often does not work out that way. Anyone who books a 7 am Lightning Lane with a return time over 2 hours after park opening is in literally the exact same position as someone who books 1 minute before park opening. There’s no advantage to booking Jungle Cruise with an 11:00 to 12:00 return time at 7:00 am over Jungle Cruise with a 1:30 to 2:30 return time at 8:58 am. Zero.
Now, this isn’t to say we’d recommend taking a laid-back approach to Genie+ during the week of Thanksgiving, Christmas, or any peak season dates. That’s not a good idea if you want to get as much done as possible, as everything is amplified (for the worse) with 10/10 crowd levels. However, that’s true across the board, and not exclusive to Lightning Lanes. We’d never recommend anyone going over those peak weeks sleep in if they wanted to get a lot done. It simply isn’t a good idea, and for reasons almost entirely unrelated to Genie+.
The actual early riser advantage is the same as it has always been: getting to the parks before the crowds arrive. It’s sort of odd to be quibbling over a theoretical ~30-45 booking advantage for a single Lightning Lane when the park-goers who get up at 7 am will be knocking out attraction after attraction via standby lines during Early Entry and at rope drop. Commando touring strategies beat all other approaches, including the Genie+ service.
That is the real reason we’d strongly recommend getting up early on vacation at Walt Disney World and one that has been discussed in numerous morning strategy posts recently. As always, you’re at a tremendous advantage if you arrive before park opening or stay until park closing. The middle of the day is always the busiest/worst time at Walt Disney World, which is simply a byproduct of behavior of humans on vacation and can’t be “blamed” on new technology. It will always be true that the early bird gets the worm and the night owl gets the…mouse, I guess?
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YOUR THOUGHTS
Does this reassure you at all about using Genie+ when sleeping in at Walt Disney World? Provide clarity about the 120 minute rule in relation to park opening, and why it’s not imperative to make a ride reservation right at 7 am? Have you had success or failure booking your first Lightning Lane closer to park opening instead of right at 7 am? Thoughts on availability around park opening times or later in the day? Are you planning on buying Genie+ or sticking to free standby lines? Do you agree or disagree with my assessment that Genie+ can be a laid back experience if you choose not to stress over it? Any questions we can help you answer? Hearing your feedback–even when you disagree with us–is both interesting to us and helpful to other readers, so please share your thoughts below in the comments!
I’m so sorry you hate spreadsheets. I love them. I have a few suggestions for each day, broken down into morning, afternoon, and night. I note all park hours, what park we plan on going to, and what rides are priorities, and what ones we might expect to pay for ILLs. Plus any ADRs, etc. I know all this can be in the My Disney app, but having it on one sheet helps those of us over 60, esp my non-tech husband. It helps give us a visual of what we want to do, and it is really helping our family see what we want to do when we go in mid-December this year on the grandson’s first trip. The spreadsheet helps enormously, as long as I keep in mind that things can – and will – go sideways at any time. Like when tropical storm Nicole hit while we were there in November, and the parks closed early and didn’t start reopening until noon the next day. Spreadsheet out the window! I also always have a non-park day mid-week, which is left entirely open for whatever. One of the benefits is that I can see patterns to help us plan – like when the Christmas parties are, so we follow Tom’s suggestion of going to Magic Kingdom on those days, which worked out beautifully. We used Genie+ for the first time last November, and thanks to what felt like a masterclass from Tom, we were able to get the virtual queue for GotG and Lightening Lanes for everything we wanted. We didn’t use Genie+ for a couple of our days, and Tom’s strategies worked there too. So for me, it’s the combo of everything that helps me plan. And then re-plan, when something inevitably goes awry. 🙂
Thanks, Buzz!
OK, please help clarify, if anyone knows . . . Tom stated above “After all, the way Genie+ ride reservations work is that you can book one at a time, and can either make another selection after two hours (120 minutes) or once you tap into your previous Genie+ selection, whichever comes first.”
So, if I wake at 7am and book a ride res for 2pm, I can book ANOTHER ride 2 hours after the park opens? Can I book another ride before I’ve “used” my first selection??
If true, that would be amazing, as I always assumed you could NOT reserve another ride until you went on the prior ride.
I’m confused but potentially very excited about this!
Jennifer,
Yes, you can book another ride ‘Every’ 2 hours after park opening. On our last trip I had 2 rides already in our queue before we even got to the park. The biggest problem with G+ is that it does not allow you to pick from a list of available times, so that you can actually make some sort of schedule.
We’ve always been casual park-goers: stay for a week, get the park hopper, never rope drop. But in our first post-pandemic trip this past Easter, I felt the pressure! I was setting the alarm for 6:45, and we opened the parks on most days. Not the way we’re used to vacationing. Hoping we can take it down a notch with our upcoming August trip. But my biggest problem with Genie+ is navigation – I don’t know if the screen kept changing or it was me, but it was never a simple click to book the next attraction.
I hate Genie+ for a multitude of reasons (cost, get up early, not picking return times, etc) but the one aspect of it that is actually ok now that you can modify is stacking. It makes going later to the parks much better than going early. We just went April 15-23 and between buying ILLs and stacking, we had 8 rides lined up in MK when we got there at 4pm and then got the 6pm Tron BG and it was great. Except I couldn’t pay this months mortgage when I got home. Other than that it was great.
We stay til park closing and a lot of time I am up at midnight and if I am planning on buying G+ I will do it then. I still think that if you want to ride one of the top rides decently early that you do need to wake around 7am. I will get on and let the rest of my family sleep, grab a top tier ride for about 11AM time and then “try” to go back to sleep. This way we can sleep in a bit and still have a top ride in the Q. Else, if you wait later that same ride will probably only be available in the evening hours, just harder to schedule around. We went in March and did 7 park days and only bought G+ for 3 of the days. The 2 days at DHS, I think G+ is a must have for DHS, and once at MK. We did 3 MK days so did not really need to do G+, but did get it for 1 day. We did not feel like we needed it for Epcot or AK, it would have been nice but saving $$ was nicer.
My biggest complaint about Genie+ is that you can’t pick your times. If I’m not going to the park until late afternoon, I have to constantly check to see where the rides are as far as time. I wish they would make it like the old fast pass system where you could pick your times. I know you can pick your time on the lightening lane rides you pay an additional fee for so why not all the lightening lane ride options??
I’m a bit surprised Walt Disney World hasn’t made this change yet. It would resolve some of the biggest complaints after the now-implemented modify button.
Just returned from my trip to Disney and was pretty aggravated with Genie + because it was down for most of the morning on the day my family was going to visit Magic Kingdom. If they’re going to make you pay for something it better be working and my experience was that they failed that rule.
Thanks for the hard work and info. Question: If I make a LL reservation for a ride and then fail to “check in” during the allotted time, am I eligible to make another LL reservation for that same ride I missed? Assuming availability of course.
Tom — Question regarding the modify button and the 120 minute rule: if I make a LL reservation more than 2 hours out and while I’m waiting an earlier time for that ride pops up, when I modify the reservation, does that reset the 120 clock? (Example: at 8:15am I make I Slinky Dog LL for 3pm. Then at 10am I see that I can modify that reservation to 1pm, can I make my next LL reservation at 10:30am or 12pm?)
Thanks
It does NOT reset the clock. You’d be able to make your next reservation at 10:30 am (assuming an 8:30 am DHS opening time).
Here’s more on the modify rules/quirks (bullet points towards the end if you don’t want to read all the basics): https://www.disneytouristblog.com/modify-lightning-lane-ride-reservations-genie-plus-gamechanger/
I’m a veteran WDW planner. My default position of despising Genie is based on two things and no amount of tweaking around the edges (which all typicallly make it more complex) will change that.
1. The cost. You can paint a turd any colour you like but adding huge costs to an already very expensive trip sucks. For us UK visitors typically doing two weeks or more in the parks buying Genie for a family group most days really mounts up.
2. It’s too complicated. You’ve just written hundreds of words about how it ain’t so bad and despite me thinking I understood Genie pretty well my eyes glazed over half way through. That just can’t be right for something related to what should be a fun trip.
I know it’s here to stay but that doesn’t mean I have to like it and it has already changed how we holiday, sorry vacation. We’ve been to Universal more since Genie came along than we did in the decade previous.
Every time I click that button to spend money on Genie or a LL for a specific ride a little piece of my love for WDW dies.
Impossible to argue with either of those points.
Walt Disney World was already a very complicated and expensive place to visit as of late 2019, and all of the changes in the last few years have only exacerbated those issues. Part of that has been a matter of Disney trying to “fix” issues, loopholes, or load-balance systems…but another part is just needless complexity.
I’m not trying to deny those or other very real issues–just relieve a little stress and anxiety where it’s (potentially) unwarranted.
My strategy, buy at midnight, set timer for 6:55, make reservation, go back to bed for 30 more minutes. =) I don’t go to bed until after midnight normally, so no big deal, and I still get about 7 hours of sleep in!
Hey, if that works for you–more power to you. There’s no one size fits all approach to any of this, and I wouldn’t pretend otherwise!
I’m so heartbroken. I have been reading your blog for a while, and I love it. I appreciate your rational approach and detailed explanations. I very frequently find that we consider issues similarly and think alike. However, I just read in this particular post that you hate spreadsheets, and I don’t think we could be friends now. I kid, and it’s moot point anyway. I still love the blog just as much, but I am a little surprised. Thanks for all the information; keep up the good work.
“In part, this just seems to be the way things are nowadays. Everything is either awful or awesome. People form snap judgments and don’t deviate from entrenched positions. They’re either team X or Y, with little middle ground. Obviously, this extends far beyond Disney. Just as it isn’t healthy in other aspects of life…it isn’t here, either.”
100%. You always manage to put what I’m thinking into the perfect words. As a librarian in a public library I definitely see this everywhere.