Tips for “Stacking” Genie+ Ride Reservations
One of the most common questions we’ve received about Walt Disney World’s new Genie+ service is how it’s possible to “stack” multiple Lightning Lane ride reservations. This post explains how you can stockpile selections to great success, with afternoons and evenings of line skipping at Magic Kingdom, Hollywood Studios, or Epcot. (Updated February 2, 2022.)
Part of the confusion with using Genie+ to stack Lightning Lane reservations undoubtedly stems from Walt Disney World’s official verbiage that with Genie+ you can only “make one selection at a time, throughout the day” and that additional selections could be made once redeemed. As we’ve stressed from the beginning, that info was/is incomplete and misleading; the 120 minute rule also applies. (That post is a must-read if you’re unfamiliar with the 120 minute rule–this post assumes you already understand it.)
Additionally, see our “Speed Strategy” for Making Genie+ Lightning Lane Selections. Again, this is advanced knowledge that isn’t strictly necessary most days. However, if you’re visiting during peak season or any regular day and want a chance at doing Slinky Dog Dash–or the earliest possible time for any attraction, this approach is highly recommended. It might seem like overkill, but sadly, it is not.
Finally, see our Guide to Genie+ at Walt Disney World & Lightning Lane FAQ for foundational need-to-know info about this paid FastPass+ replacement. The Genie system is confusing and convoluted, so you might have a question or 17. That answers all of the most common ones we’ve been receiving from readers.
The goal with that is to address the basics–the goal here is to take things to the next level with more advanced hacks and strategy…
In a nutshell, “stacking” Genie+ reservations is possible because of the 120 minute rule. If you prioritize grabbing Lightning Lane reservations for popular rides early in the day–my preferred approach and objectively better strategy for most people–you’re likely going to be holding multiple Lightning Lane reservations simultaneously so long as you continue making them whenever eligible. This is because your return times will be kicked out further into the future, and you’ll be able to make new selections prior to redeeming old ones.
This might be new territory for some Walt Disney World fans, but anyone who has experience with the legacy FastPass systems should be well-versed in stacking ride reservations. In fact, it was incredibly common and downright easy to be an “evening FastPass hoarder.” Same goes here. Really all you need to do is always make the most popular/higher priority Genie+ selections, and do so aggressively throughout the day. The basic premise is pretty simple–but it gets more complicated.
One of the big things with FastPass+ was that it didn’t allow conflicting ride reservations; like other recent Walt Disney World systems, it was “smart” and prevented guests from double-booking themselves.
Depending upon your perspective, Genie+ is a step backwards to a “dumb” system like paper FastPasses. It doesn’t care if you overlap ride reservations, and will let you know about a conflict but not prevent you from making conflicting plans. The one exception to this, thankfully, is when it comes to Park Hopping hours–Genie+ will automatically move selections to 2 pm if you start making them for a subsequent park and the return time clock otherwise hasn’t advanced.
This means the onus is on you to be mindful about not using Genie+ to make conflicting Lightning Lane selections. If you’re concerned about a time being too close to an existing Lightning Lane reservation, either choose a different attraction or wait 5-10 minutes for the return time clock to move forward and give you more of a buffer between them.
Despite the connotations, the “dumb” system is far better for savvy guests than the “smart” one. If I make Genie+ ride reservations for both Soarin’ Around the World and Spaceship Earth from 2 to 3 pm, plus Test Track at 2:15 to 3:15 pm, that is all very doable–even if I walk slowly between them. It’s far superior to spacing those out from 2 pm until 5 pm, as would’ve been required under FastPass+ rules. Overlapping plans benefits the diligent and makes it easier to book the next slew of ride reservations.
The following section exists for posterity’s sake. For anyone visiting Walt Disney World in 2022, what follows DOES NOT WORK ANYMORE!
Advanced Stacking Strategy (Obsolete)
The normal 120 minute rule still works. It’s an intentional feature of Genie+ that is there by design and was inherited from MaxPass and legacy FastPass. In other words, stacking can still be done in the intuitive, one-at-a-time sense. However, it’s no longer possible to leverage the advanced stacking strategy described in this section such a way that you can turn a single selection into multiple branches, and grow those exponentially.
Again, the *120 minute rule still works* and regular stacking is possible, just not the advanced hacks discussed in the following section. This makes complete sense and we can’t fault Disney for closing what was possibly an unintentional loophole. Definitely a bummer for those who like to hack, but that’s how it goes.
We are leaving this now-obsolete section here because it exploded in popularity among Walt Disney World vacation planners, and even though the loophole was closed back around Thanksgiving and it’s now February 2022, we’re still getting questions about it. Rather than pretending it wasn’t a thing, we want to address it here to point out it doesn’t work anymore. There’s really no point in reading any further in this post. Stop now unless you’re curious about this now-defunct loophole.
Prior to this loophole closing, eligibility for a new Genie+ reservation was triggered by your “last action,” for lack of a better term. This can either mean the 120 minute rule taking effect or tapping into a Lightning Lane…or both!
Stated differently, letting 120 minutes elapse is a “last action” that triggers eligibility for a new Lightning Lane reservation. Once those two hours have passed, you’re eligible. Tapping into a Lightning Lane is also a “last action” that triggers eligibility in Genie+ for a new Lightning Lane reservation.
If you make another Genie+ selection after 120 minutes but before tapping into the previous selection, you can also make another once you’ve tapped into the Lightning Lane. There are two “last actions” in that scenario, and the former does not obviate the latter.
This means you are able to score two Lightning Lane selections from a ride reservation that’s more than two hours into the future. Not only are you not penalized for choosing more popular attractions–you’re arguably receiving a windfall.
Where this gets more complicated is with Genie+ reservations that straddle the 120 minute rule, so to speak. Ones where you could tap in either before or after 120 minutes has elapsed. In the vast majority of cases, you will want to WAIT for those 120 minutes to pass before tapping into the Lightning Lane.
This is because the “last action” of tapping into the Lightning Lane eliminates the potential “last action” of 120 minutes elapsing, but not vice-versa. If you tap in at the 90 minute mark, for example, you never hit 120 minutes. As such, that “last action” never came to fruition. Conversely, you’re tapping in regardless–the 120 minute rule does not and cannot eliminate that.
Here’s a mnemonic device that might help, using an iconic Arnold Schwarzenegger film that’s beloved by all as inspiration: “Last Action Hero (1993) is longer than 120 minutes.” To be the last action hero of your Walt Disney World vacation, wait over 120 minutes before booking another Lightning Lane selection via Genie+ when possible.
Even if mnemonic devices aren’t your thing, at least we plugged one of the all-time cinematic classics. I think we all can agree that’s a huge victory.
Still confused? Here’s hoping a few examples clear things up…rather than make them worse!
During My Day Using Genie+ at Disney’s Hollywood Studios, my first Lightning Lane ride reservation was Slinky Dog Dash. As explained in that post, we strongly recommend booking this first—right at 7 am.
The screenshot above shows my Lightning Lane arrival window of 10:45 am to 11:45 am for Slinky Dog Dash. I tapped into this at 10:40 am, which I thought was a slick move because it gave me a 20 minute jumpstart over waiting until 11 am, when I could’ve made another Lightning Lane ride reservation pursuant to the 120 minute rule.
I was wrong. It was not-so-slick. Saving 20 minutes cost me an extra Lightning Lane reservation. Because the 120 minute rule was never reached, I was only able to make one Lightning Lane selection.
Had I waited until 11:00 am, I could’ve booked a new Lightning Lane pursuant to the 120 minute rule.
Then, I could’ve tapped into the Slinky Dog Dash Lightning Lane at 11:01 am. I could’ve immediately booked another Lightning Lane reservation via Genie+ because that was another “last action.” Get it? Two “last actions” for the price of one! (Huge props to Tristan who alerted me to this in the reader comments of a prior post!)
Here’s a more common example, and one you’ll invariably encounter at DHS. I tapped into my Tower of Terror ride reservation at 12:10 pm. After tapping in, I made my next Lightning Lane ride reservation—Millennium Falcon: Smugglers Run for 5:40 to 6:40 pm.
The math whizzes out there will tell you that 5:40 pm is multiple 120 minute rules after 12:10 pm, making it impossible to *not* trigger both last actions. Be sure you make new Lightning Lane reservations at both points–first at the 120 minute mark and then again upon tapping into the Lightning Lane. This is how you’ll almost certainly end up with a stockpile of ride reservations in Genie+ later in the evening.
Here’s another example. I booked a Na’vi River Journey Lightning Lane reservation for 8:55 to 9:55 am. Even though the end of this reservation is only 115 minutes after park opening, its official end time triggers eligibility for another Lightning Lane reservation (and remember, you can tap in up to 15 minutes after the end of a Genie+ ride reservation).
Accordingly, I waited for the window to close, then used Genie+ to book a Lightning Lane for Kilimanjaro Safaris. Immediately after that, I tapped into the first Navi River Journey Lightning Lane checkpoint and immediately booked a Lightning Lane for Dinosaur. Doubling my Lightning Lane numbers so early in the day set me up for a huge day, and that wouldn’t have been possible with any other attraction at Animal Kingdom due to more immediate return times. (If this helps, think of it like compound interest–starting earlier pays bigger dividends in the future, but in the currency of Lightning Lane reservations rather than dollars.)
Another piece of advice: try to book a new Lightning Lane reservation after performing any “last action” in the park–or whenever you’re unsure about whether you can make a new Genie+ selection.
At worst, you’ll get the ‘not eligible’ error message above (which is oddly the only way of seeing the time when you can make another selection). At best, you’ll have surprise success.
We recommend this because it’s incredibly difficult to keep track of Genie+ bookings, especially later in the day when they’ve multiplied like Gremlins.
Genie’s “My Day” feature in My Disney Experience is nice for those doing a single park, but its organization is abysmal once you start Park Hopping. Random recommendations, park hours, directions, and other unsolicited advice are scattered among Lightning Lane reservations–which are often displayed out of order and not grouped by park. In other words, you should just try to book new reservations whenever it seems like maybe you’ll be able to do so.
Due to the top-heavy nature of the Disney’s Hollywood Studios attraction lineup, you almost certainly will be using the 120 minute rule a lot there. This means ride reservations made in the morning won’t be redeemable until afternoon, and by the time evening rolls around, you’ll have spawned a half-dozen or so Lightning Lane selections.
If you’re good at this and diligent about booking, Park Hopping will be a must. The no re-ride rule means you’ll run out of worthwhile attractions in your first–and maybe second–park and will need to move on. Aside from the no re-ride rule, the biggest limiting factor on how much you can accomplish is operating hours.
Ultimately, this is how I’ve ended up with huge stacks of Lightning Lane ride reservations for the late afternoon and early evening when using Genie+ at Walt Disney World. Simply prioritizing popular attractions and using the “last action hero” trick produces results similar to Dr. Honeydew and Beaker’s experiments with the Inflate-o-Matic! Unlike Waldo, you’ll actually want a ton of Lightning Lane reservations.
Like so much with Genie+, the learning curve isn’t nearly as steep with stacking in practice as it is in writing. Once I wrapped my head around how the “last action” rules worked to trigger more Lightning Lane selections, I quickly mastered it. (Just wait until you read the recap of my 3-park day yesterday–it’s absolutely bonkers.) With that said, it’s possible that this is a bug rather than a feature, and Walt Disney World will quickly close this “loophole” if Genie+ power users leverage the system to their benefit by too great of a degree. There were similar strategies with FastPass+, and those loopholes were never closed, so I guess we shall see!
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YOUR THOUGHTS
Did this help you understand “stacking” Lightning Lane ride reservations in the Genie+ system? Understand the “last actions” of the 120 minute rule and tapping into Lightning Lanes? Planning on being the “last action hero of your family’s Walt Disney World vacation? Thoughts on strategy for making Lightning Lane ride reservations in light of this rule and the ability to stack selections for later in the day? Do you agree or disagree with my assessment? Any questions we can help you answer? Hearing your feedback–even when you disagree with us–is both interesting to us and helpful to other readers, so please share your thoughts below in the comments!
The app would not let us book a second ride until 11am, even though we made our first booking at 7am.
Does using a DAS pass at a lightening lane entrance reset the 120 minutes on the genie+?
With a park hopper ticket, do you have to go to the first park to then be eligible for 2 PM admission to a second park? Doing the 2 PM second park admission essentially forces the 2 PM G+ time. The terms and conditions suggest that you must tap into the first park first. Anybody know if this is how it works in practice?
Could you maybe show us the best way to modify a lightening lane return time? I’m not clear if you have to cancel before you can choose a new/better time; and if you do have to cancel first, should two people in your party work together to modify and re-book?
Scenario: Booking for our party of 5, I book Big Thunder for 5pm but I find a 4pm return time that would be better for our schedule. If I cancel my 5pm, the 4pm might be gone by the time I get back to it. Can someone else in my party cancel the 5pm while I have the 4pm on my screen so I can select it once the other is cancelled?
Thank you!
Does using a LL bought via ILL also open up another stack?
Are you going to update the 1-Day (insert park name here) Itinerary Using Genie+ & Lightning Lanes posts now that there is a better understanding of overlapping and stacking the G+ reservations? Thanks!!
Hurts my brain, but I think this makes sense.
Potentially confusing questions:
1. To be clear, you should currently still get your first Genie+ reservation as early as possible, because you can make a new one at the end of the window, but still use the reservation in the 15 minute grace period? Correct?
(If this loophole was closed, maybe there would be situations where you should purposely try to get a reservation that goes beyond the 120 minute mark.)
2. If you have a Genie+ reservation that overlaps with the 120 minute mark, but you *don’t* tap in at all, is doubling up not possible? Meaning, after you get the 120 minute reservation, do you get another when the window expires? Or do you definitely physically have to tap-in? (I realize you wouldn’t then be able to ride that particular ride again that day.)
3. If I were planning on visiting a park just in the evening (like 5pm and later), what would the strategy be? Just watch for the first evening window and start booking every 2 hours? Or is there a better approach?
I guess the answer to #3 depends on #2. If #2 worked, you could book a bunch of Genie+ reservations at attractions you don’t care about, let them expire and double up that way. Or you could potentially use Park Hopping that way if they get rid of park reservations and allow morning hopping again.
4. Can you make your second Genie+ reservation even if you haven’t entered the park yet? (Or is it just the 7am one?) I know you have to enter to park hop, but you could conceivably do that at 1:55pm or whatever.
My wife and i were able to ride 7 rides inside of 2 1/2 hours thursday, 2 with ILL (paid), and five with LL. I just looked for another ride available within that same hour and it worked out great.
Now that we’ve read this, can you please delete so Disney doesn’t ever discover the loophole
Yes, that’s exactly it! “Tapping” just refers to scanning your magic band/ticket to enter into the lightning lane at the attraction.
Ok you list me at the hs example you did you booked slinky at 7am wouldn’t your next booking be available at 9am which is 120 mins after your first booking you stated you couldn’t book your next one until 11am ? Or is the 120 min rule starting at park open!?
Thanks for confirming this, Tom (and the shout-out)! I’m so glad we were right for how it works – it definitely can be a powerful tool if you know how to use it effectively.
And I have to say, I like the way you broke down describing it using the “last action” framing – I think that’s a very good way to think about it!
Apologies for the lack of replies to the many questions since yesterday morning.
It is *very* difficult for me to stay out late doing in-park research/testing, write new posts based on that, edit accompanying photos, AND respond to comments all in the same day.
For now, I’m prioritizing research and posts–I’ll try to catch-up on comments, but I’m really stretched too thin for it right now. Very difficult when the “research team,” “writing team,” “photography team,” etc. is just the two of us! Hope you all understand. 🙂
I think the goal here is to make sure your next booking is always at least 120 minutes out, but not significantly more than 120 minutes. This allows you to use the 120 min rule, then immediately tap in, to get two bookings in the span of a few minutes. If you use one of those to book another booking 125 minutes out and also a higher demand LL later in the evening, you can repeat this process over and over. I’d have to see it in practice, but there may be a benefit if you can book a single LL within 20-30 min and then go use it to hit the “reset button”.
So a day might look like this, with park opening time being time “P” in hours.
P – book LL for P+2
P+2 – book high demand LL for 5 PM or later, then tap in, then book LL for P+4
P+4 – book high demand LL for 5 PM or later, then tap in, then book LL for P+6
P+6 – book high demand LL for 5 PM or later, then tap in, then book LL for P+8
P +8 – book high demand LL for 5 PM or later, then tap in, then book LL for P+10
P+10 – assuming 9 am opening, start using your 5 accumulated LL reservations, and every time you tap in for one of them, make another one
As you can see, by 5 pm, you’ll have 10 LL booked or used, and still be accumulating at that point… you’ll quickly hit every ride in the park. Since you can’t repeat, it’ll benefit you to use your 5 PM or later reservations for a different park, and use your earlier “every 2 hour” reservations for your starting park.
This is a freaking amazing level of detail. I love trying to min-max this stuff. We are going in January so I want to be as prepped as I can be. Thanks for taking the time to document this.
Holy cow! I think I need a degree in Genie to fully understand this! This was so helpful, however! Our family has ambitious plans as we have had to change them multiple times due to Covid. As we won’t be getting to the parks until around 1 PM ( long long story), and want to cover as much as we can, we plan to use the Genie. So We will be exiting a cruise ship at 7 AM, I can log onto Genie and book our first ride for 2 PM if it is available? If I book a ride for 7 PM, that means I can book another earlier due to the 120 minute rule? We are travelling at the end of January so not sure how busy the parks will be.
I am tryyyyying to understand. I thought I was following you, but then you said you’ll have to park hop and I was like, what? I mean, if I were to pick a 5 p.m. ride time at 9 a.m., and continued on picking late times like that, at lmost I would have five rides lined up for the evening by the time 5 p.m. rolls around and I hit the first LL. Wouldn’t it be better for me to pick something right away – as close to 9 as possible – and then keep selecting things that way? I must be missing something here. Is availability quickly becoming an issue, at say 10 a.m.? If so, wouldn’t I have no further choices once I start tapping into the rides in the evening?
Thanks, Tom! That’s incredibly helpful information. For those who aren’t ‘word oriented’, something like a visual based flow chart cheat sheet might be easier to understand. With the focus on one ‘typical’ day per park per cheat sheet article. But not sure how you would practically set that up in a published article format. Re this loophole being closed eventually, don’t know if WDW will be concerned enough to be bothered. Guessing that most guests who exploit this will be local keeners with AP, vloggers and never your once a year or once every two year guests. For most casual guests, this will make their brain hurt. Hurt brains on vacation aren’t gonna happen. That should leave the loophole open for the few of us who are motivated enough to push.
This hurts my brain. But, I think I have it! It really gives an added value. Looking forward to trying this in a couple of weeks!
Yes ‘tapping in’ is using your mangic band, or ticket, or mobile etc – against the scanner at the start of the ‘lightning lane’.
Note you need to tap in twice, as there are two places to scan in. One at the start of the line and one further in (to stop people jumping in to the lightning lane when no one is looking). I believe you can make your next booking as soon as you have tapped in to the first one.