TRON Lightcycle Run Problems for Larger Guests
TRON Lightcycle Run is now open at Magic Kingdom, and there have been issues with larger guests not fitting into the ride vehicles due to weight, height, and more. This post discusses what’s happening, how certain body sizes have had problems, and takeaways from our experiences with the roller coaster. (Updated December 7, 2023.)
Unfortunately, all of this was inevitable. TRON Lightcycle Run is unique in a number of ways, and unlike any other Walt Disney World attraction in terms of rules, restrictions, and accessibility. This was destined to be a hot topic of debate and complaints by fans, as the policies and protocol are more stringent than any other ride.
In our early coverage of Shanghai Disneyland, we repeatedly “shot down” the idea that TRON Lightcycle Power Run would ever be cloned to Walt Disney World or Disneyland. It was a common question and topic of speculation, and we thought there was no way it would ever happen because U.S. guests are far more diverse in height, weight, and age than their Chinese counterparts.
Additionally, even those who do fit that parameter might have trouble getting up if they have knee problems, arthritis, etc. There’s more to it than that, though. Not only is the way you enter the ride vehicle for TRON Lightcycle Run awkward, but it’s also done quickly. This is a short-duration roller coaster, and it dispatches frequently. This means that the turnaround is fast, and there isn’t a ton of time to tinker around at load.
Even as someone with what’s probably closer to an Asian body type than an American one, I remember feeling rushed. Getting situated wasn’t easy, and the clock was also ticking on getting your wallet and phone into the little compartment. We don’t have a single good selfie from the load platform of TRON Lightcycle Run as a result of this, despite riding repeatedly and attempting several times. At Shanghai Disneyland, it became common for Cast Members to identify Westerners and direct them to the “American” cars.
Against that backdrop, let’s turn to the problems for larger guests at TRON Lightcycle Run in Magic Kingdom. Many guests are being ‘rejected’ from the regular ride vehicles, and sent to a special line for the accessible LightRunner trains, which are essentially standard lap bar style roller coaster seating.
One early report stated that anyone “above a size 14 in pants” probably won’t fit on the ride’s Lightcycle-style seating. Others indicated that TRON Lightcycle Run is more restrictive than any other attraction at Walt Disney World, and claimed that if there’s any other ride that gives you weight or height problems, you definitely won’t be able to do the Lightcycle-style seats. By these accounts, it’s been a tron-wreck for larger guests. That’s probably an embellishment on just how bad of a problem this actually is.
For our part, we’ve seen and heard guests get rejected from the cycle seats at TRON Lightcycle Run, and we’ve also noticed longer waits for the standard seating. The good news is that it appears this is improving as of Christmas 2023. TRON Lightcycle Run has now been operating for several months, and Cast Members have gotten more comfortable loading guests into TRON Lightcycle Run.
This always happens. It last occurred with Avatar Flight of Passage at Animal Kingdom. That attraction opened a year after the original TRON coaster, and rebuffed the notion that Walt Disney World wouldn’t use bike-style seating for an attraction.
There were also widespread reports of larger guests being unable to ride Avatar Flight of Passage during that attraction’s previews. Walt Disney World fans started worrying on social media, as it seemed like there was about a 50/50 chance of not fitting in the “link chair” that simulates riding on the back of a banshee. I recall reading that some chambers had half of their guests have to walk off in shame due the restraints not locking.
It doesn’t make what those preview guests endured any less sad, but accessibility with Flight of Passage improved exponentially in a matter of weeks. Tweaks were made and Cast Members got better at assisting guests load into the link chairs throughout the course of the previews.
To be sure, Avatar Flight of Passage can still have issues, but it is not rejecting 50% of all guests–or a number anywhere close to that–now that it’s been open for several years. In fairness, there’s also a strong chance that word has gotten out, and ‘borderline’ guests have learned to either check the test seat or not bother at all. Consequently, this problem is likely less visible and prominent because guests are self-selecting and opting out. Just because we don’t see something doesn’t mean it’s not still a problem.
It’s almost certainly a similar story with TRON Lightcycle Run. The roller coaster has now been open for over 6 months, and we’re noticing these problems less and less. However, at the same time, a new sign (pictured above) went up a couple months ago–long after the ride officially opened–warning that “the seating and restraints on this attraction may prohibit Guests of certain body shapes or sizes from riding. Please try the seat to confirm your ability to ride.”
Honestly, it’s a bit surprising this sign wasn’t up from the very beginning–it’s not like this issue blindsided Walt Disney World. Regardless, a sign like that isn’t put up at random in Late 2023. It was done for a reason–because guests are still having issues and TRON Lightcycle Run isn’t 100% (or even close to it) accommodating.
For those who are curious as to how it differs from other attractions, TRON Lightcycle Run uses ride vehicles that are unique for a roller coaster in Walt Disney World, but restraint system is actually quite comparable to Avatar Flight of Passage. Both attractions have restraints that come up and secure the guest’s back and calves.
The restraints and rider positioning is not identical on TRON Lightcyle Run, but it’s very similar. There’s a calf restraint that swings around into place to secure the legs and one that folds up against the back. This system is somewhat dynamic; guests of varying heights and weights will find different ways to position their bodies to allow the restraints to lock.
The rider angle is also not the same between TRON Lightcycle Run and Avatar Flight of Passage. The latter is like a leisurely bicycle ride, whereas the former is like an aerodynamic motorcycle, if that makes sense. If it doesn’t, you’re going to have a lower profile–almost in the prone position.
The TRON Lightcycle Run ride vehicles are cumbersome to enter the first time. There’s a bit of a learning curve, which is odd for a Walt Disney World attraction. They’re also quite comfortable once you’re properly in place; the way your body “hugs” the Lightcycle is a big part of the appeal of the ride. If at all possible, this is the way you want to experience TRON Lightcycle Run–it’s going to fall flat in a regular roller coaster ride vehicle.
With the comparison to Avatar Flight of Passage, the inevitable question is going to be whether guests who fit on that will also be okay on TRON Lightcycle Run. I think it would be irresponsible to offer a unilateral answer to that, potentially setting people up for disappointment. The bottom line is that the restraint systems are similar but different, and we’ve heard reports over the years about puzzling problems with guests on Avatar Flight of Passage who should have been able to ride based on their height and weight “on paper.”
There’s no magic number to weight or height when it comes to riding TRON Lightcycle Run. Rather, it’s about the distribution of weight across your frame, as well as the size of your calves. It won’t be uncommon for lean, tall, and muscular guests to have issues. (Consider this a good excuse to skip legs day at the gym before your next Walt Disney World trip–don’t want to get too jacked for TRON!)
In other words, being rejected from TRON Lightcycle Run is not exclusively an issue for “Pooh-sized” people. To the contrary, you could be shredded like Schwarzenegger and also be sidelined.
This brings us to another takeaway worth emphasizing: do not simply draw conclusions based on numbers you’re hearing. Some guests who are 200 pounds may have problems, whereas others who are over 300 pounds may not. It’s possible that people who are 5’10” will have issues, whereas someone who is 6’3″ may not.
There’s not a straightforward weight or height “limit.” It’s a combination of the individual’s frame, and how they’re able to quickly adjust and situate themselves in the Lightcycle-style seating. It’s entirely possible that two people with identical body types could have different experiences with riding or not being able to ride.
To this point, we strongly recommend using the test seat outside TRON Lightcycle Run. This isn’t just a good way of seeing if you fit–you can also practice and, in some cases, improve your chances of success. Seriously.
As noted above, there’s a learning curve. Even as someone with a more average and flexible body, it wasn’t simple and straightforward for me the first time. This won’t work for everyone, but for guests who are “borderline,” a bit of practice can make all the difference.
Trying out that test seat and figuring out which seating ‘pose’ works best for you won’t be conclusive confirmation that you’ll be able to do the Lightcycle-style ride vehicles, but it could help. Another thing that’ll help is being singularly focused on boarding the attraction and getting yourself snug against the bike. Difficult as it might be, don’t prioritize selfies or whatever.
Since TRON Lightcycle Run is a roller coaster that quickly dispatches, there’s not going to be same time or margin for error in getting guests properly situated as there is with Avatar Flight of Passage. Cast Members at the load station will get better about accommodating more guests, but it probably won’t ever be as accessible as Flight of Passage.
With that said, the big advantage over Avatar Flight of Passage is the aforementioned LightRunner ride vehicle, which is the accessible ride vehicle on TRON Lightycycle Run. Guests who cannot fit in the Lightcycle or who want or need a ride vehicle that doesn’t require crouching down will be able to use this. It’s essentially a standard roller coaster car and has a regular ole lap bar, like you might find on the other Magic Kingdom Mountain Range roller coasters.
The problem with this–and what I find absolutely confounding–is that not every TRON Lightcycle Run roller coaster train has one of these. Given the wider range of American body types coupled with older guests (I cannot imagine my dad, for example, being able to ride TRON Lightcycle Run in the bike seats), I’m shocked that they didn’t equip every single train with some of the standard seats. That’s probably the biggest mistake here.
Although Walt Disney World doesn’t have a perfect track record with being accommodative, but they’re stellar by theme park standards, and that includes TRON Lightcycle Run. The procedures here will continue improve over time. Hopefully, that also means many more guests being able to fit into the Lightcycle ride vehicles.
Nevertheless, all of this is frustrating. It seems like the last several years have seen a proliferation in unaccommodating attractions without adequate alternatives. While I don’t think 100% accessibility is realistic, it’s also odd to me that both Disney and Universal are seemingly okay excluding a not-insignificant number of visitors.
To be sure, there are larger conversations about societal health, but none of those are particularly relevant here. If visitors are guests, hospitality should be a goal. Avoiding situations like this that exclude sizable portions of the audience, and have a propensity to do so in an embarrassing way, should be prioritized. Guest demographics are what they are, and that should be front-of-mind when designing rides and choosing clones.
This is a conversation that has been revived of late thanks to Mario Kart at Universal Studios Hollywood. (For whatever it’s worth, I think the Mario Kart controversy is overblown–it’s definitely an issue, but all of the clickbait articles are based on the published limitations, which are overly conservative.) Before this, it was an issue with the Secret Life of Pets: Off the Leash, which we consider one of the best dark rides of all time.
That slow-moving dark ride being exclusionary makes even less sense than a roller coaster that obtains so much of its personality and ride profile from the unique Lightcycle seating. Universal fans have defended the approach as part of the company’s “100% containment” policy, which is intended to prevent anyone from “escaping” the ride vehicle.
While safety is certainly an important goal, there’s gotta be a balance. This strikes me as a solution in search of a problem–it’s not as if people are falling out of Peter Pan’s Flight left and right–and excluding so much of the core demographic is ridiculous. You can’t simply handwave that away by using “safety” as a shield, as if that’s the ultimate trump card that shuts down the conversation. Other similar attractions exist without such restrictions and with safe track records. But I digress.
Ultimately, there are issues with guests of larger sizes–due to weight, height, or stunningly swoll calves–not being able to ride TRON Lightcycle Run via the bike-style ride vehicles. That was always going to be a problem, and is the nature of the beast with this roller coaster’s seating arrangement. Unlike some of the hyperbole on social media, this is not Disney attempting to “fat shame” guests.
Rather, at least some of this was and is unavoidable with TRON Lightcycle Run. So much of the attraction’s unique personality and sense of exhilaration are a direct result of the Lightcycles and the way they position guests. Remove those, and this roller coaster is very ordinary–just a shorter and less intense version of Rock ‘n’ Roller Coaster that took several more years to build.
With all of that said, things will improve over time. In the grand scheme of things, it’s still very early, but modifications have already been made and more will occur. Additionally, Cast Members working load/unload will be able to better finesse the process. You can also improve your own odds of success by practicing with the TRON Lightcycle Run test car. Silly as that might sound, it really could help!
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YOUR THOUGHTS
Have you had the chance to ride TRON Lightcycle Run? If so and you had issues with your body type, care to share your experience, tips & tricks, or anything else? What do you think of TRON Lightcycle Run? Any questions? Hearing your feedback about your experiences is both interesting to us and helpful to other readers, so please share your thoughts or questions below in the comments! Keep the comments civil, as this is not the place for arguing about health, antagonism, personal attacks, or cheap shots.
I’m around 210lbs, a size 18, with a large body frame and thick legs. My husband is around 250lbs, 6’, and an extra large body frame with thick legs. Both of us have weight evenly distributed throughout our bodies. He’s complained about his knees of 7DMT but I’ve never had any problem with it. I remember hearing about problems with FOP before we rode it but neither one of us had any trouble with it either and it wouldn’t have occurred to me to worry about fitting if it weren’t for reading about it. I’m wondering if Tron will be a similar situation.
We experienced TRON yesterday. It was awesome. I had no difficulty, but my boyfriend didn’t quite have an understanding of how to get on the thing. They need to have videos about the vehicle and how to mount/dismount. That would have been very helpful.
I wonder how much body shape determines how much one gets “tickled” on Flight of Passage; I felt that a lot more than other people seem to, that’s for sure.
Since I was a teenager, I’ve never felt in danger of falling out of Big Thunder but after every hill I have to hold on so I don’t stand up.
Are Cast Members still instructed to put pairs of adults in a single Astro Orbiter vehicle?
I suffer from travel sickness and can’t ride Star Tours at DHS (as I discovered on honeymoon in Sep 2000… let’s just say the person in front will never know how close their day was to being very memorable for the wrong reasons). I certainly don’t expect Disney to change the ride so 100% of visitors can experience it.
I doubt those with dairy allergies expect ice cream to be banned from the parks.
In the same way, I applaud Disney for trying something different. If 10% of the visitors can’t ride on the bike and must use the car, that means 90% of guests get to ride something innovative and different.
You must be a certain height to ride many of the attractions. It’s just the way it is. Don’t visit expecting that you can ride everything, just enjoy the attractions you can in the best way you can.
It’s a matter of balance. Of course if 50% of guests can’t ride then there’s a problem, but it’s just not possible to create a “different” attraction that absolutely everyone can ride. Otherwise WDW would be full of Journey of the Little Mermaid clones.
I don’t know… When 1/3 of people are plus-size, I agree with Tom, I don’t care what the reasons are, that is a large group of guests that *MAY* not fit on the ride. When I went to FoP in 2021, people that weren’t even THAT big struggled to fit or could not on the tester/actual ride in my group and based on the plus-size Disney groups like Tom said, it is highly variable. I do not think 50% of people don’t fit, but I certainly KNOW it is higher than 10% of adult guests.
Gary,
Many people have problems with attractions like Star Tours and it has little to do with actual motion.
I’ve read articles calling it cyber-sickness; I refer to it as virtual-vertigo.
Personally, I have no trouble riding actual thrill rides, but put me on Star Tours and I’m done for the day. No other rise at Disney ‘triggers’ my feelings of vertigo like Star Tours, but I can ride Flights of Passage as often as I can get on it.
FWIW, Universal has more of these virtual rides (like the Simpsons) which can simply ruin my vacation.
We’re all just a bit different.
Larger guest here — gigantor sized. (6’7”/345). Tried the Tron seats back in Jan 2020 when they had a small display with test vehicles by space mountain back. Zero chance of fitting legs in the slots – as expected. I’m here not to complain, but to point out how those of us already turned away from rides or test vehicles – like FoP, don’t even try to squeeze in many rides. Your statement “To be sure, Avatar Flight of Passage can still have issues, but it is not rejecting 50% of all guests, or a number anywhere close to that.” is utter nonsense. Of course 50% aren’t turned away at the ride — you don’t see us even get in line. Most of us won’t tempt the walk of shame and get near those rides. In other words, the “reject rate” isn’t the true measure of how many will never experience the ride.
I think it will often depend on the CM. The last time my family was at WDW, my son-in-law who is on the taller/heftier side easily rode FOP, but later the same day, he must have sat down a little wrong and the CM couldn’t lock the ride right away and had him get up and exit. However, that same CM tried to force my 5’1,” 100# daughter up another notch and she was in pain so she asked to get off. She has rode the ride multiple times and was never forced to be in such a tight position. I think it all depends on the CM for those that are closer to the maximum limits (or the opposite in my daughter’s case), which is sad.
I did the walk of shame on Flight of Passage and it was because I have large calves – no other reason. I’m not heavy but I’m short and my body type will most likely not work for Tron so I will opt to ride the accessible car. Dread the long wait if they don’t have many to accommodate people like me. Planning to go in early 2024. Maybe by then, some of these issues will be worked out.
It’s ironic that guests who ride real bikes, resulting in large / strong legs, won’t be able to ride the simulation of a bike, because of their bulked up legs.
I wonder what the procedure is at unload when guests with back issues can’t spring off the vehicle in the amount of time available, or even need medical assistance from being forced into an unaccustomed position?
We rode the torn ride in Shanghai. My husband is 226 pounds and the need of two hip replacements. We had no problem getting on or off the ride. Why do people need to have selfies all the time. Can you not just enjoy the ride experience. He had more problem on avatar.
My son had to exit Avatar before riding because of his calf size. He was so embarrassed. I wish they had a lap-bar style alternative for that one. I know it wouldn’t be quite the same – but at least they could partially experience it!
Lol. I can see Tom’s squeamish facial expressions as he tries to find the right words and phrases for this article. You did the best you could kid.
I rode Tron on Saturday during a preview event. I’m 5ft 9in and 250 lbs and fit in the motorcycle seat. I did try the test seats and my biggest problem is lifting my legs high enough to bring over the seat. At least with FOP you can swing your leg around the back of the seat but you can’t do that with Tron making it awkward to get on. I enjoyed the ride but wow it’s a short ride!
wow- I’m 5’1″ and Pooh shaped/sized. Am I going to need a springboard to even try?
I went to the test seats and could tell as I approached that it would be easier for me on one side than the other. Still not easier considering I am not limber whatsoever. Also, there isn’t really a step because the area where your lower leg goes is right next to the seat…you have a small space to lift your leg up and over. It’s hard to explain…it’s just very awkward. Definitely go to the test seats first.
i am 5’4, 168lbs and i fit on SDMT (and love the ride) but it is snug. fortunately its a super short ride.
no worries on Tron as im too scared to ride it LOL.
I am in rather poor shape but still was able to ride Flight of Passage, 7DMT, Avatar, as well as Hagrid’s over at IOA. It felt like a close call on all of those, but I made it. But aside from just fitting, the idea of being nearly prone on a ride of this sort doesn’t sound very appealing. I would be interested to hear how many older theme park fans are willing to give this ride a try.
I have a feeling that the bigger issue will be CMs unwilling to introduce operational delays by allowing borderline guests (whether in terms of size or perceived mobility issues) to try the bikes — or to the extent that they do, they’ll be rejected very quickly after just a few seconds of attempting. If correct then this has the potential to be discriminatory; and if incorrect the attraction will be plagued by severe delays.
I find the whole thing quite unfortunate as there is clearly no perfect solution. Hopefully test bikes are installed near the load area to give CMs the ability to send borderline guests via those for familiarity and verification.
I think your hypothesis and predicted outcomes are most likely correct. You’re also right that there’s no perfect solution–and the best option would be test bikes closer to load, but I don’t see that happening.
All of which is why it seemed so improbable that TRON Lightcycle Run would be cloned at the US parks, in the first place.
I painfully watch a larger guest try to get the restraint for Cosmic Rewind to engage for about 5+ min during previews last year. Multiple cast members jumping and pushing…seems like a difficult task to plan for in all rides these days. I’m sure the bike style of tron makes it even more so.
I had a feeling this would end up being the case. Seems like an awkward ride. I am 6’3” two fiddy so probably a no for me.
You can’t currently try the test vehicles since they have the Tron entrance blocked off during the previews right now.
My Cast Member friends at the previews indicated they were able to try the test vehicles–hopefully that’s still the case this week. Presumably, they will be accessible for AP previews, opening day, and beyond!
Do you happen to know whether Disney plans to address concerns about the cleanliness of Tron’s ride vehicles? Obviously, this was top of mind when the parks reopened from their COVID-19 pandemic closure, but this ride appears more “touchy” than most.
Given how fast they want rider turnover to be, I doubt they’re cleaning the seat, bar, handlebars between riders. Is this likely to be an issue?
@Dan, we didn’t see any vehicles at all being cleaned between rides during my family’s trip in August 2022, versus detailed cleaning taking place on just about every attraction during our visit in April 2021. It seems the science on surface transmission put that practice to rest at some point between those two time frames.
Wipe down the cab between each ride? Disney, or any theme park for that matter, has ever done this.
BIG issue. Should probably all stay home. Especially if you were planning to visit last week of May/first week of June this year.
7DMT is another case of a recent ride with fairly tight seating. I remember reading the concerns when that first opened, and at 5’5″ <150lb it's reasonable tight on me. I can certainly see someone larger than me (i.e. most non-children) having problems. It's a tough call for the ride designers who want to enable the ride for the widest audience, but have to balance that vs. the ride experience being what they want it to be.
Yes! Seven Dwarfs Mine Train is actually the tightest ride vehicle for me–I meant to include that in the post.
I don’t think that one is so constricting due to the ride experience. It’s another attraction that was developed for Shanghai Disneyland, even though it ended up opening first in Magic Kingdom.
@Kevin, yes!!!!! I’ve ridden 7DMT with a group of women ranging from 110 lbs to 230 lbs, and every last one of us complained about the uncomfortable squeeze. Those seats were not made for anyone with child-bearing hips!!! I get that they wanted to protect little ones from slipping and sliding as the mine car swings, but there has to be a more comfortable option.
I came here to say this!! I rode Flight of Passage no problem- but the Mine Train was actually painful. I had to angle my hips to fit into the seat and the corners were digging into my hips the whole time. Hopefully this won’t be the case for Tron- I’m really looking forward to it!!!
Well I think in the case of 7DMT, part of the issue is that Disney can’t just be concerned with maximum size, but it also has to be concerned with MINIMUM size. Disney could have easily made the seats more accommodating on 7DMT, but at a certain point then the restraints aren’t going to work for smaller kids. On rides that are geared towards a younger audience, it makes sense to err on the side of excluding more adults than kids, but on TRON you could make the alternative argument (although on TRON, I think the seating position just isn’t that accommodating to a wide range of body types, regardless of which body type they favored). What I don’t get is the lack of accommodating seats on each train. Even if TRON were super accommodating in the standard seats, one would think they would want the other kind of seat on every car for differently abled people or even little kids who balk at the prone position when it’s time to board.
It is also the tightest on me, but I am actually plus size at a size 18. My sister at the same size with a more extreme PEAR shape was literally in pain on it, she also struggled WAY more than I did with FoP. Same waist size, totally different body shapes AND she is 4″ taller at 5’7″.