Walt Disney World Memorial Day Trip Report – Part 5
We had the Star Wars Character Breakfast scheduled for that morning (click here to start from the beginning if you haven’t read the previous parts of this Walt Disney World Trip Report), but fortunately I had booked one of the later seatings–props to me for actually looking at the park hours calendar before arbitrarily booking at early seating. I’m finally getting the hang of Walt Disney World trip planning 101!
I’ve already covered the Star Wars breakfast in our full review, but suffice to say, we really enjoyed the experience. The food was good, but it was more about the ambiance and quality of interactions that made it worthwhile…or at least close to worthwhile. In terms of value for money, both Star Wars meals required great experiences, as the food alone did not even come close to being “worth it” at either venue. Obviously our thoughts on these Star Wars meals are moot since Star Wars Weekends have concluded and now the meals are over, but I strong suspect they will return next year. If not sooner…Star Wars meals have many guests screaming “PLEASE TAKE MY MONEY, DISNEY.”
We were at Sci-Fi Dine-In Theater until right about the end of breakfast, getting our moneys’ worth both in terms of experience and food. When we finally left, I think it was around 11:30 am, at which time Sarah came to the conclusion that she wasn’t feeling well, and needed to head back to our hotel to take a nap. We had switched to the luxurious All Star Music Resort (& Spa?) for the final two nights of our trip, and I didn’t want to mess with getting back there, so I just decided to stay in the park, despite being fairly tired.
However, I quickly realized that the 9+ hours we had spent in Disney’s Hollywood Studios the previous day was more than enough, so I headed to the Magic Kingdom. I said it before, but I really wish there were more to do in Disney’s Hollywood Studios on a regular day.
There were still several ‘must do’ attractions that I hadn’t done, plus the new Festival of Fantasy parade, so I decided to make some FastPass+ reservations. I was shocked to find considerable availability, so I booked some things.
I’ve been fairly critical of the whole MyMagic+ system in this report and how it has failed us on many occasions, so I feel I need to give appropriate praise where praise is due here. The system worked flawlessly after our initial hiccups this trip, but this afternoon in the Magic Kingdom was really the first time I attempted to use it “aggressively.” I was able to make and modify multiple reservations, the system was responsive, and it made things easier.
Since we like a lot of unpopular attractions, I anticipate us being fairly lax with our advance planning and use of the system in the future, but I like the way it works. As I said before, I don’t like how much it cost or the way it has been implemented, but overall, I like (what seems to be) the end result.
I bounced from attraction to attraction, mixing FastPass+ for popular things like Splash Mountain with some of my favorite no-wait shows like Hall of Presidents, Country Bear Jamboree, and Carousel of Progress. I don’t remember for sure, but I’m assuming I also rode the Peoplemover like 2-3 times, because that just makes sense. After so many rides on that, they all just sort of blend together.
Did you know this Muskrat Moonshine kettle has a Hidden Mickey on it? I know where every circa-2007 Hidden Mickey in Splash Mountain is located. (Talk about bragging rights!) Back when we first started visiting together as adults, we picked up the Hidden Mickeys: Walt Disney World Field Guide, and Splash Mountain was our favorite place to look for them. Just a random fact that you were probably dying to know…
At some point, I made my way to the Festival of Fantasy parade FastPass+ viewing area. I had neglected to watch it every other day of our trip, and this was my last opportunity, so I figured I had better watch it or else get my “Disney blogger” card revoked. It seemed like every other site had comprehensive multi-angle videos and tons of photos posted the day of the first performance of the parade, and here I was at the Magic Kingdom for the first time about a month later, and I hadn’t even bothered to watch it on our first view days at Walt Disney World. I sure hope none of you come to this site for breaking “news”!
Unfortunately, just as I had gotten really comfortable on the hot pavement and worked on my sunburn for about 30 minutes, a notice was played that the Festival of Fantasy parade had been canceled due to inclement weather. Apparently a storm was in the neighborhood, and that fire breathing dragon is afraid of a little rain, or something like that. It’s times like these that I wish the technology on display in StormRider at Tokyo DisneySea were real. C’mon, science, get to work!
So, thanks to the weather and my laziness, I still haven’t seen the Festival of Fantasy parade. I have given up on trying to avoid spoilers (so many people have Tweeted photos that it’s impossible), but I still won’t watch a video of it until after I see it in person. Based on the photos I have seen, here’s my review: the dragon looks awesome. I haven’t paid enough attention to photos of the other floats to really judge them. Really not much of a review at all, right. Even though I’m not much of a parade person, I am looking forward to this. Hopefully it’s on par with the recent Tokyo Disneyland parades, like Happiness is Here.
After the parade was canceled, I decided to drown my sorrows with some macaroni and cheese from Friar’s Nook. I had heard great things about the mac & cheese here, so I figured I’d give it a try. Plus, I wanted to sit out on the balcony at Pinocchio Village Haus, but didn’t want to order any of their flatbreads, so this was the closest option for food.
Taking that mac & cheese to that balcony is probably the best decision I made that day. The mac & cheese was awesome with a great texture, thick cheese, and almost a homemade flavor. Obviously, the view from up on the balcony of Cinderella Castle was awesome. Put together, plus being out of the rain was super-awesome. I highly recommend giving it a try!
Most of the rest of my early afternoon was filled with doing attractions and other things that don’t really bear mentioning. The bad thing about having written countless Walt Disney World trip reports is that the repetitive things like visits to favorite attractions don’t make for good topics of interest. I mean, how many times can I tell you how awesome Carousel of Progress is? The answer is “a lot,” but at some point you’d probably get sick of reading. I need to find a way to interject more mystery and intrigue into these reports.
In mid-afternoon, Sarah met back up with me, and we stopped at Cosmic Ray’s so she could get some odd veggie sandwich. I didn’t look too appetizing, but she thought it was okay.
While she ate this thing, I took pictures of Sonny Eclipse. I still love Sonny Eclipse and Cosmic Ray’s (I still wish Plectu’s Fantastic Galactic Revue would’ve come to fruition at Disneyland for a full show of aliens like this), but this trip made me seriously rethink our Magic Kingdom Counter Service Rankings. A subsequent trip to Be Our Guest for lunch confirmed that it should be the runaway #1 pick. Guess I need to update that post…
Sarah hadn’t done many attractions, so we decided to use one of our “bonus” FastPass+ that we had received earlier for our troubles on Splash Mountain. She also hadn’t done much ‘Gramin, so we slowly meandered that way taking photos as we went.
Despite it being one of my favorite lenses, I find myself rarely using the Nikon 70-200mm f/2.8 VR in the parks, so I decided to shoot with it for a while. I really like this photo of the White Ibis.
What I really like about telephoto lenses like this is how you can isolate a subject that otherwise may not be that attention-grabbing, and draw the eye to it via the photo. I mean, how many of you have even noticed this “The Swamp Boys” concert poster?
I also like ‘stacking’ the subject with an interesting out-of-focus background, which I think I did fairly well with each of the three shots above.
I even used this lens inside the dark ride portions of Splash Mountain. Tough lens to use on attractions, but you can get better detail than with most lenses.
Next, it was time to use our FastPass+ on Peter Pan’s Flight. Although I’ve had the Sigma 35mm f/1.4 lens for a year now, I’m pretty sure this was my first time using it on Peter Pan’s Flight.
Peter Pan’s Flight has always been my “white whale” of dark ride photography. This time, I went in with spear (or in this case, lens) drawn, shouting, “from Hell’s heart I stab at thee!”
I walked away with 6 keepers, which I believe is more than all of my keepers from previous rides combined. Thus, I give up the spear.
We continued to do other attractions, before our college friend Nick joined us and we headed to Cheshire Cafe for some of those new(ish?) cake cup things they have. These came highly recommended to us by someone who shall remain nameless to preserve their good reputation.
These cake cups were right up there with some of the worst snacks we have ever had at Walt Disney World. Honestly, they defied explanation, as they were simultaneously dry yet laden with frosting. As an added bonus to this contradictory dichotomy, they tasted like they were approximately 16 days old. I would not at all be surprised if these creatures were mashed up cupcakes that didn’t sell at other locations. If someone recommends these things to you, never trust them again. Okay, maybe that’s a bit extreme, and perhaps ours were an anomaly, but they were seriously bad.
On the plus side, the presentation was nice, so if you’re primarily concerned with cool photos that will get you a ton of Likes on Instagram, we highly recommend these things. If you actually prefer to eat food you’ve purchased, stay away.
The sunset was approaching, so I left Sarah and Nick to chat at a table while I wandered around New Fantasyland trying to capture some pre-sunset good light.
I was still a bit early, so I basically wandered around the land for 20 minutes snapping photos before the light really started to do anything remotely interesting. For all of the criticism of New Fantasyland’s substance, it really is a beautiful, immersive land. Its a nice contrast to the otherwise barren, attraction-heavy Fantasyland, and gives Magic Kingdom balance.
It seems like whenever I make a conscious effort to take photos during sunset, the sky is dull, and whenever we book dinner during sunset, the sky basically lights on fire with a ton of amazing colors. Next trip, I think I’m going to book a bunch of ADRs during sunset and then bail on them to “trick” mother nature. I’m sure that will be effective…in wasting $10.
I wandered all over New Fantasyland before finally decided to head back to the waterfall near Cosmic Ray’s Starlight Cafe that overlooks Cinderella Castle. I waited and waited here, and finally determined that the sunset had passed, and was a dud.
About 10 minutes later as I was wandering Tomorrowland for some blue hour photos, I saw crazy color in the sky and raced towards Cinderella Castle. One of the first rules about sunset photography is that you always stick around until well after the sun actually sets, as the sky may light up even after the sun was below the horizon. I had broken this rule, but fortunately was able to salvage the late-blooming sunset color scene.
At this point, it was more or less time for our dinner at Cinderella’s Royal Table. We had gone back and forth on eating here for a while, but it was always a non-issue because we never even had a chance to make ADRs, so our debates were always theoretical. With Be Our Guest Restaurant now being the top draw, it seems Cinderella’s Royal Table ADRs are now easier to score, as I stumbled upon one about a month or so in advance of our trip.
We ultimately decided to book it, cringing at the cost and the idea of paying for a photo package we didn’t really want. Still, we booked it because it was something new to try, and I really wanted to photograph and see the inside of the restaurant, which I’ve always thought was really cool. I can still remember looking in the Walt Disney World book I had as a kid and seeing the star-filter enhanced photo of King Stefan’s Banquet Hall (check it out on page 26 if you have that classic book), and thinking how awesome it would be to eat inside the Castle.
In a way, this meal was finally fulfilling that childhood dream, I guess? Despite that, I was not really looking forward to the meal, as I fully expected a loud restaurant full of wild kids, phoned-in cuisine, and awkward character interactions.
We were very fortunate in that only one of those things occurred. The food was surprisingly good and there were no annoying children. It was only the character interactions that were awkward!
Prior to this, I can’t think of the last time we met face characters, and that’s probably for good reason: I find meeting face characters to be an uncomfortable experience as an adult. I don’t really know why, because I’m perfectly willing to have fun with the costumed characters, but the face characters are a different story. I think part of the fact that they have you hold your arm out a certain way (so you don’t touch them), which from the get-go is almost an implicit assumption on their part that you are creepy.
In reality, I know this is an across-the-board policy meant to address potentially creepy behavior before it can happen, and isn’t directed at any one individual person, but it still doesn’t exactly set the tone for a fun interaction. I completely understand why this policy is in place, and if I were in their shoes I certainly wouldn’t want random strangers touching me, so I’m not complaining about it. I’m just pointing out that–for me at least–it leads to a fairly awkward encounter.
After being uncomfortable when the first couple of princesses came around, I finally decided to just cut my losses and elect not to get photos with the remaining ones. This is something I’ve never done at a character meal, as I’ve always wanted to get my “money’s worth,” but I figured I didn’t really need my money’s worth of awkwardness. Plus, the real reason I was there was to see the interior of the restaurant, so the better bet was getting my money’s worth of that.
I’ll have a full review of the food and the ambiance later, but suffice to say, I’m very happy we did this meal, despite the high cost and the character interactions. The restaurant is gorgeous, our service was great, and seeing the fireworks from inside Cinderella Castle was an excellent experience. Wishes lit up the inside of Cinderella Castle gorgeously. Just compare the lighting of the above photo versus the below one. You don’t see much of the fireworks, but it’s still pretty unique and cool if you’ve seen Wishes plenty of times.
Due to the price and it being a character meal, I suspect we won’t do it again for quite a while, but I’m pleased we did it this time. I think it would be great if Disney would do one meal per day without characters at cool venues like this, Crystal Palace, and Akershus, but I understand the demand for character dining.
It was almost closing time when we got done with dinner, so we made our last attraction of the night Seven Dwarfs Mine Train. The next photo is a spoiler, so scroll past it if you don’t want to see the inside of the attraction.
Since it’s still new, I didn’t make much of an effort to photograph the interior of the attraction during our rides on it. I like to soak up the experience before focusing on photos. Overall, though, it seems like ‘moderate’ in terms of difficulty. Just remember not to use flash, or you’ll ruin the illusion!
After that, it was on to take some late night photos of the park. I was pretty well burned out of Magic Kingdom photography at this point. We always seem to end the night at the Magic Kingdom (because it’s ordinarily open the latest), but I wish we would’ve spent more time at Epcot.
I love this little corridor in Fantasyland.
Looking up at Cinderella Castle…
Minnie gazing at Roy Disney in ‘Sharing the Magic.’
Sarah walkin’ right down the middle of Main Street, USA!
Then it was back to All Star Music for some more late night shooting.
After this trip, Music is my new favorite of the All Star Resorts. Sports now has a superior food court, and I previously gave it the edge because of that in our Walt Disney World Value Resort Rankings, but I much prefer wandering the grounds at All Star Music. I still prefer Pop Century and Art of Animation, but if only taking the All Stars into account, Music is #1.
The next installment is the last one of this report. One final half-day in Animal Kingdom!
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Have you tried the Cake Cups? Do you like Cinderella’s Royal Table? What about meeting face characters? Share your comments on any of these things—or anything else from the trip report—in the comments!
The sunset photo that others were saying looked nostalgic or like an old postcard reminds me of the openings to Disney movies where they show the castle and it’s surrounded by water… All my life I have felt that that short 5 second sequence isn’t what the “real castle” really looks like (why the one in Magic Kingdom was always the real one in my head instead of the one opening all the movies is beyond me…) but here in this photo I think you’ve captured the scene. It looks less like a castle in a theme park and more like a castle in the middle of nowhere. And for some reason that makes me nostalgic too.
Oh no! I’ve been desperately wanting a cake cup because I’m a great lover of frosting – if you just want the frosting, are they really that bad?
They’re really that bad.
Why did u guys switch hotels mid trip? I was thinking about doing that if FD did not start on our dates but luckily it did as I was afraid it might be a hassle
I feel like that sunset picture of Cinderella Castle could be pulled straight off a WDW postcard from the late-80s or early-90s. There’s something about the color wash of the lights on the castle and the overall color tone that just feels nostalgic to me. Great shot; I’m glad you included it in the report.
Funny you mention that. Due to the color scheme, I also thought it looked a lot like a 1980s postcard photo. Or maybe I just scanned in an old postcard and claimed it as my own! 😉
The paragraph about the Cheshire Cafe cupcake cups (say that 5 times fast) literally made me bust out laughing!! So funny and so true. My husband and I got the queen of hearts one back in March and thought the exact same thing, cake was dry, but it had so much damn frosting on it!! But it did make for a great pic on my Instagram 🙂
Tom, were you able to order multiple items from each course (like extra appetizers or entrees) at the royal table like you were able to for the star wars meal? In the past we have gotten an extra appetizer or child’s entree here and there (we’ve been 5 times in as many years) but it was always offered by the server. Tonight we asked for an extra entree as my friend wasn’t very happy with hers and the server said he would have to charge us for another meal and it wasn’t an “all you care to eat” meal. The manager then came to our table and repeated that was the policy of the restaurant and that if prior servers had given us extras they shouldn’t have. The whole interaction was odd and not very Disney-like.
My parents & I did a breakfast at Cinderella’s a few trips ago & thought the character interaction might be a little weird, with us being 3 adults. But it turned out very well. The princesses usually asked what “kingdom” we were from. Ariel asked if we swam all the way from Boston to Orlando, LOL. And Jasmine got my dad to pose for a picture with her after commenting on him being a handsome prince. 🙂
On another note – are the cake cups really that bad?? Bummer. I always wanted to try one, but hadn’t had a chance yet. May have to rethink trying them.
I have a 4 yr old princess so we’ve done all the princess meals and meets. I’ve never noticed the Princesses offering to take a man’s arm before this review. I’ll have to check photos that include my hubby or son. Interestingly enough, all Princes offered me their arms during the MVMCP meets. Maybe the Princesses are just assuming you’re a Prince and feel offering your arm is a courtly gesture vs think in you’re a weirdo LOL. Did I overthink that?
My family loves the trip reports. It’s been a reaaaally long time since we’ve last visited the Disney parks (15 years), and it’ll probably be another 2 or 3 years before we get to visit again. The reports allow us to travel vicariously!
Plus they’ll probably save us from being completely lost once we get back to the Parks, so much has changed. All the information you have shared about ADRs, resorts, and touring is immensely helpful, plus great fun to read! Many thanks!
Have you had a chance to do Be Our Guest as table service for dinner yet? We did it over our honeymoon and it was good. Not the best food we had on our trip (but we ate at Flying Fish & Victoria & Albert’s) but it was good. The experience was also just amazing at dinner. Haven’t done lunch so I’m not sure how they compare but it was fabulous.
Sarah ate there for dinner with her sister and loved it. I still haven’t been. 🙁
Of all things to ask after reading this awesome blog, I am dying to know where Sarah got the Minnie Mouse ears baseball cap!
However, I’m afraid it is Disneyland exclusive?
I’m heading to Disney World the beginning of August- do you know where she got the hat?
Amazing pictures! Makes me want to buy a new camera!
I’m at magic kingdom now waiting for the boat. The Minnie mouse ear baseball hats are in lots of shops and multiple parks. At magic kingdom at le chappeau and storybook circus shop.
I agree, Music is my favorite All Stat Resort.
It’s “front to back” layout flows much better than Movies or Sports.
I also agree that it would be wonderful to have the opportunity to dine @ Akerhus or Cindy’s Royal Table without the characters present.
I’v dined at well over 3/4 of the sit down restaurants within WDW, but never those 2.
And I’d love to, but I share your lack of enjoyment for face character interactions.
I think you hit the nail on the head with the front to back layout. I also prefer the pool areas at All Star Music, and also the background music that plays. It made the resort seem especially peaceful at night.
Love all the pictures, as usual! I had one question though: With the Fastpass+, did you book those on the ap or have to go to one of the kiosks to book a new Fastpass+ in the middle of the day?
If you go back to Part 1, there’s a story about us having a lot of difficulties with getting my AP to work, so they ended up giving us “bonus” FastPass+, so we used a couple of those. Otherwise, we would have had to use the kiosks…which actually didn’t seem too bad to use, although I do hope they add that functionality to the app.
Oh, that’s right. I do remember reading that. I hope they add that to the app too, but I’m glad to hear that the kiosks didn’t seem to be too difficult!
Wow, I really love your telephoto shots with their blurred backgrounds! I think this is the loveliest effects of all your styles. Soft and artistic, while richly colored and in keeping with the overall feel of Disney design. Makes me (almost) want to cart my “big” camera & lens & do the same.
Thanks! General laziness on my part in not wanting that lens hanging at my side is a big part of my lack of that type of photos, but it’s also VERY difficult to use the telephoto lens effectively for creative purposes. Lining things up for interesting backgrounds isn’t easy.
Loved the Royal Table review. I was able to snag a ADR for my next visit in October, and your feelings about the face character photos definetly echo some of my own apprehension about it as an adult male. This will only be my second time at WDW (first trip was in April), and i only took photos with costumed characters then. I’ve read so much about the Royal Table dinning tho, then I don’t want to pass up the chance
You’ll probably have a great time. I’m probably just overthinking the face character meetings, or am being arbitrarily weird about it. Most people have no issue, so it’s likely just me!
Hey Tom. Love the trip reports by the way. I forgot how much I missed reading them until now. I hope these reports are getting lots of hits so you’ll be encouraged to write more in the future.
I have questions about how you guys transfer between hotels. Is there a post where you talk about the art of moving from one resort to the resort? Or is this something that’s so simple it doesn’t need much explaining? Its something my wife and I had discussed doing in the past but weren’t quite sure if it were
allowed, how to book it, and how easy it was overall.
Nah, the trip reports remain fairly unpopular, but I enjoy doing them every once in a while and I had the time for this one, so I figured why not? I would do them more if they were somehow more popular, but from time to time they’re just fun to do!
As for transferring hotels, it’s just a matter of taking your luggage down to Bell Services, and they do all the work. Then you just go to the next hotel at your leisure and check in as you normally would. Really simple, and highly recommended if you want to experience a couple of different hotels (or want to be nearer certain things for certain parts of your trip).
Just don’t schedule your transfer day on a day of a fancy dinner. We accidentally did this on our honeymoon (just got back). Scheduled our transfer from Boardwalk to Riverside on the same day as our Victoria & Albert’s dinner. Bell services can’t guarantee your luggage there by a certain time (understandably) so we had to take a small suitcase over on our own with our fancy clothes. Just a bit annoying to take the boat from Boardwalk to Hollywood Studios and then the bus to Riverside. Wish I’d planned better and done it on a day that we weren’t planning to change for dinner. Then we could have just gone straight to the parks and not worried about getting our stuff over.
It surprises me that the trip reports aren’t more popular- I always really enjoy reading them!
For our next trip to WDW we might try changing hotels- thinking about doing a few nights at a value and then a night or two at a deluxe rather than a moderate the whole trip… but POR is so great that we may just stay there again.
I will say that for myself, if not for anyone else, that the Trip Reports are by far my favorite part of this website!
(still looking forward to Hong Kong :))
Tom… I’ve been following your photography and blogging since the Disboards. I also follow many very talented Disney photographers on flickr, etc. Your sunset photo of Cinderella’s castle is absolutely the best I’ve ever seen. And as many photos of the castle that exist, that’s saying something. Amazing!
Thanks for the kind words…
…but I’ve definitely seen better.
In my native land (Central Illinois) it is customary when meeting royalty to bestow your liege with double cheek kisses and a bear hug. I quickly found out that Disney does fully embrace such cultural traditions.
Love the trip report, as always. While all your content is always entertaining and helpful (especially the photography tips), the trip reports are often the most fun to read as you do a great job of allowing us to relive the magic with you, which is why I got into writing them myself.
Missing the parade is just an excuse to go back sooner; I have my qualms with it (e.g. wish there were more IP characters on foot) but overall it is a great and fitting addition to the Magic Kingdom.
Concur on the pic of the Ibis and keep up the good work; it’s not too shabby for a Hoosier… 🙂
Interesting. In my native land (Indiana), we typically lick the arms of royalty upon meeting them. Perhaps they issued an “alert” on me after the first time I did that! 😉
How in the WORLD do you have all that energy? Are you even tired at the end of the day? Is this why you run? Do I need to start running marathons?
I have so many questions.
Also, I didn’t realize they made you stand a certain way with the princesses. I’m assuming it’s just the guys, since Sarah has her arm around Aurora. Do they actually say “give Rapunzel your arm” or is it implied? So many questions!
Also, I meant to ask: When is your next trip?
Also, I meant to say I missed the FoF parade when we were there. I watched it on the 24-hour day camera in one tab and another tab had a YouTube video so I could sync the audio. I enjoyed it but wish I had seen it in person.
I’m typically more tired in the morning than at the end of the day. Just have a lot of energy, I guess. Caffeine helps.
They prompt you for your arm. I don’t remember what the exact phrase is, but it’s fairly obvious.
“from Hell’s heart I stab at thee!” I would die laughing if I heard someone actually yell that while entering Peter Pan.
My wife and I stared at the Moonshine kettle for a few minutes. I’m guessing the hidden Mickey is only if you are in airplane?
Those are great night photos of Magic Kingdom and I really enjoyed the inside of CRT. The only time we’ve eaten there the windows were covered for construction.
Having a young daughter, I have done maaaany face character meet-and-greets. It’s pretty common that the character has put her/his arm around me during a family photo. Perhaps we just unknowingly violate the no-touch rule? Or perhaps being with a small girl lessens the “creep factor”.
I always used to yell that when entering Peter Pan’s Flight. What’s so odd about that?
The hidden mickey is in the blue paint that’s dripping down the side.
I am very high in “creep factor,” so that’s probably it!