Is Disney World’s On-Site Advantage Disappearing or Reappearing?!
For years, there were big benefits to staying at Walt Disney World owned resorts: free transportation, better line-skipping options, extra hours, and more that justified the higher cost. In this post, we’ll take a new look at how perks have changed and whether on-site hotels are still worth the premium pricing. (Updated September 17, 2023.)
I’ll preface this by saying that we have been advocates of staying in the Walt Disney World “bubble” and are definitely biased towards that. In our On-Site v. Off-Site at Walt Disney World article we attempt to be balanced, but concede that we’re drawn to being inside the Walt Disney World “bubble,” which offers advantages in terms of location, convenience, and the feeling of an all-encompassing vacation destination.
However, that started to change even pre-closure. We still love a lot of Walt Disney World hotels and do on-site stays, but no longer strongly recommend them for everyone. Accordingly, what we are going to do is ask and attempt to answer an important question: what if the selling points of staying on-site are no longer as valuable as conventional WDW planning wisdom suggests?
This is a question we originally posed a few years ago as Walt Disney World hotel prices began to soar and the advantages offered by on-site perks were less noteworthy. Since reopening, we’ve revisited this topic a couple of times for different reasons. That started with the end of Extra Magic Hours and free FastPass, as well as the suspension of the Disney Dining Plan.
For our Late 2023 update that looks forward to planning your 2024 Walt Disney World vacation, we’re revisiting this from a positive perspective. There have been a few positive developments last year and this year, and we’re also granting greater weight to various considerations that we previously glossed over. This has us asking ourselves: is Walt Disney World’s on-site advantage starting to reappear?
Let’s start with the Disney Dining Plan as that is finally returning in early 2024. For many planners, being able to purchase the Disney Dining Plan is very important from a budgeting and convenience perspective. While we’ve been skeptical of this for years, but it’s nevertheless true that guests find themselves surprised by food costs more than anything else at Walt Disney World (see the fascinating survey data about halfway down this article).
So the Disney Dining Plan reappearing is definitely a big plus for a lot of Walt Disney World guests who stay on-site. In our view, that probably overstates the degree to which this is an actual advantage. The reality is that the overwhelming majority guests will come out ahead from a budgeting or convenience perspective by pre-purchasing discount Disney gift cards and using those to pay-as-they-go for food.
Even in the past, the Disney Dining Plan offered the illusion of convenience and budgeting. That’ll be doubly true with the 2024 Disney Dining Plan due to price increases–unless you have more than 2 children or do the Quick-Service Disney Dining Plan. Of course, there are exceptions to this–families of big carnivores or those willing to “hack” the Disney Dining Plan did come out ahead. But for the most part, the house always wins. We look forward to the Disney Dining Plan returning, but it wasn’t the benefit that some cracked it up to be.
There’s also the Genie+ line-skipping system, which replaced the free FastPass ride reservation program. (See our Guide to Lightning Lane and Genie+ at Walt Disney World for full details, recommendations, and everything you need to know for making most of that line-skipping system.)
There are two components to this: Genie+ Lightning Lanes and Individual Lightning Lanes. The latter offers on-site guests the “benefit” of being able to purchase Individual Lightning Lane access at 7 am instead of park opening time, which is when everyone else can buy access. Certain Individual Lightning Lanes do sell out prior to park opening time, so that window is beneficial for headliner attractions–but even that is seasonal. If you’re visiting during busy holiday travel dates, it matters. If you’re going in May or September, not so much.
It would be beneficial if on-site guests could book Genie+ ride selections early, but that is not how this works. Everyone is able to book Genie+ Lightning Lane reservations starting at 7 am. That could always change down the road, but for now, that’s how the system works.
There’s no sugar-coating this one. Losing free FastPass+ was a colossal blow to all visitors of Walt Disney World, but especially on-site guests. One of the very best on-site advantages at Walt Disney World was the expanded FastPass+ booking window; that was a significant headstart and allowed on-site guests to scoop up most of the best ride reservations before their trip.
However, that could change once again in 2024, with another much more significant shift in the off-site vs. on-site calculus as advance ride reservations are coming to Genie+ and Lightning Lanes at Walt Disney World in 2024. As compared to the return of the Disney Dining Plan, this has flown relatively under the radar, but we view this as a much bigger deal.
The reason advance booking of Genie+ Lightning Lanes has been “under-discussed” is because Walt Disney World hasn’t really said anything aside from “it’s happening.” There are absolutely no details about how it’ll work, whether it’ll cost more, or even if there will be an on-site advantage to Genie+ advance booking.
We’ve heard a range of rumors over the last few months, and honestly, none of those have done anything to reassure us. It sounds like this was a mandate from on high in response to negative guest feedback, and the announcement came before the details were worked out. If what we’ve heard is accurate, some specifics are still up in the air. (Suffice to say, you shouldn’t be surprised if Genie+ advance booking does not launch right away in January 2024.)
One thing that does seem reasonably likely is that there will be an on-site advantage with advance booking of Lightning Lanes. For one thing, because there was in the past with FastPass+ and what we’ve heard suggests this will replicate some of that system (except costing money). For another thing, because hotel occupancy is starting to decrease, so restoring this perk–even at a cost–would help resolve that. So consider this one a tentative on-site advantage that’ll arrive at some point in 2024.
Next, let’s turn to Walt Disney World’s two replacements for Extra Magic Hours: Early Entry and Extended Evening Hours. Early Theme Park Entry allows all on-site resort guests and those staying at select third party hotels to enjoy 30-minute access to any Walt Disney World theme park, every day before normal operating hours begin.
Early Entry means that Magic Kingdom or Disney’s Hollywood Studios (for example) open daily at 8:30 am and 8 am, respectively, to resort guests, and 30 minutes later to off-site guests. The logical criticism here is that morning Extra Magic Hours was an hour long, so this is half the time, and thus, half as good.
We have done Early Entry over one-dozen times (literally), and that has not been our experience at 3 of the 4 parks. Crucially, Extra Magic Hours occurred on select days of the week and only at one park on each occasion. This mean consolidating all on-site guests at a single park. Early Entry occurs daily at all 4 parks, and better spreads out the crowd as a result.
In practice, we’ve found Early Entry to be far less busy than EMH. At Disney’s Hollywood Studios, EPCOT, and Animal Kingdom, it essentially offers a 2-3 ride headstart for on-site guests and is actually a pretty significant. (Most days, it is not as good at Magic Kingdom.)
We’ve used Early Entry to accomplish both Star Wars: Rise of the Resistance and Slinky Dog Dash at DHS, all three headliners at EPCOT, and pretty much everything in Animal Kingdom. Early Entry is a huge perk, and it’s doubly beneficial to be able to use it every single day at whichever park you want. Do not underestimate its value and skip Early Entry because it’s “only” 30 minutes. (In case you can’t tell, we are huge fans of Early Entry–it’s bigger than many fans think.) Learn more strategy in our Guide to Early Entry at Walt Disney World.
Next, there’s Extended Evening Theme Park Hours. This benefit is exclusively for guests staying at Deluxe Resorts, Deluxe Villas (Disney Vacation Club units), or other select hotels (currently Swan & Dolphin and Shades of Green). Guests staying at Value or Moderate Resorts are not eligible for Extended Evening Hours.
Extended Evening Theme Park Hours occur only two nights per week in total–typically Mondays at Epcot and Wednesdays at Magic Kingdom. This runs for two hours each night, but this is only a perk for those who book more expensive hotels (or the Swan & Dolphin, which are often priced on par with Value or Moderate Resorts). This makes Extended Evening Hours a double-edged sword, with its quality hinging on resort status.
For those who are eligible, Extended Evening Hours is huge. Crowds are virtually non-existent, as are lines for most attractions. It’s way better than Evening Extra Magic Hours, which had become overcrowded due to expanded eligibility during its last few years. (In fact, the crowds during Evening EMH are one of the reasons we first wrote this post, in the first place–Evening EMH had become almost useless due to overcrowding.)
Unfortunately, this comes at the expense of Value and Moderate Resort guests who, as noted above, cannot take advantage of Extended Evening Hours. So if you’re a Deluxe or DVC guest, this perk is fantastic. If you’re staying at a Moderate or below, it’s awful/nonexistent. See our Guide to Extended Evening Hours at Walt Disney World for more rules, eligibility, strategy, etc.
Two of the most recent changes concern transportation. At the beginning of last year, the Disney’s Magical Express airport shuttle service ended. Now, visitors arriving to Orlando International Airport will need to rent a car, use Uber/Lyft, or arrange for an alternative shuttle service in order to get to their resort. This was a huge loss for many Walt Disney World visitors.
Disney’s Magical Express’ closest paid replacement is Mears Connect Driven by Sunshine. See our Guide to Airport Transportation for Walt Disney World for other options. There’s no one-size-fits-all perfect solution; it depends on your party size, budget, and other factors.
We’ve used Mears Connect many times, and have found it to be virtually identical to Disney’s Magical Express in speed, quality, and service. The biggest downside is that there’s a fee, and that since these are third parties, there’s not always seamless integration between the resorts and the shuttles in the event that an issue arises. (Some fans will cite the lack of luggage handling, but that disappeared from DME prior to this, so it’s hard to tie that to this particular change.)
At the start of this year, Walt Disney World brought back free overnight self-parking to guests staying at Walt Disney World Resort hotels. Complimentary parking was an on-site perk until a few years ago, and it was another prompt for this post in the first place.
We hated the charge for parking, and thought it was a bad decision that diminished the differentiation between Disney and its real-world counterparts. We were not alone. At the time, the introduction of the parking fee was the most controversial change we had ever seen made by Walt Disney World.
Not only did our post garner over 300 angry comments, but Walt Disney World got hit hard by negative reviews on crowdsourced travel sites like TripAdvisor and Google. I had never seen fans so mad–although backlash to the subsequent elimination of free FastPass and Disney’s Magical Express did exceed that response.
In addition to this, Walt Disney World resort hotel guests also continue to receive complimentary standard parking at Walt Disney World theme parks, which is another plus. In tandem, these two things take some of the sting out of the elimination of Disney’s Magical Express–at least for the guests who opt to rent a car while staying on-site. (That number will only grow, as Universal Orlando continues to expand and turn itself into an equally-compelling theme park destination.)
Sticking with the topic of transportation, this is another on-site advantage offered by Walt Disney World…and one that has arguably improved by quite a bit. Let’s start with the neutral components: the monorails and boats are more or less the same.
Given that the monorails continue to age and one boat route has been cut, the argument could be made that these have gotten slightly worse. Anecdotally, I’m not sure I agree–monorail maintenance has decreased downtime and the one boat route is used by a small minority of guests. Speaking of things used by a small minority of guests, we are fans of the Grand Floridian walkway to Magic Kingdom–our favorite form of transportation is “feet” and we wish Walt Disney World made itself more walkable. (Which would ease the burden on existing transportation.)
As a whole, we view Walt Disney World transportation as better today than it was 5 years ago. The big thing here is the Skyliner, which we view as the best transportation option at Walt Disney World. When there is a line, it’s constantly moving and usually a short wait. Since the opening couple of months, the Skyliner gondola system has been incredibly reliable.
We’re huge fans and strongly favor the Skyliner resorts now. It’s especially a game-changer for Pop Century; given all of the perks and transportation advantages of that one resort, we can easily justify the premium pricing there.
Also helping with past transportation woes is bus wait times, which show up both on digital boards at the bus stops and in the My Disney Experience app. There’s still room for improvement here, and there have been hotel stays when we’ve noticed overcrowded and inconsistent bus service. (In particular, Coronado Springs is a big offender.)
Walt Disney World has also addressed its bus driver shortage, which actually predated the closure, by bringing in a third party to assist with routes. All things considered, we’ve been more pleased by bus service and found it to be more efficient last year and in 2023 than it was in 2017-2019. With that said, few things are as hit-or-miss as WDW bus service. Someone could have a superlative experience, and someone else an awful one–despite staying at the same resort during the same dates–simply by virtue of luck and timing.
I won’t include Minnie Vans as a transportation “improvement” since there’s a pricey surcharge for those, and we don’t generally recommend them. Plus, if you’re willing to use Disney’s Minnie Vans, you might as well be willing to use Lyft or Uber, which have become ubiquitous in Central Florida. The ease of Lyft and Uber is definitely an improvement for guests, but it’s neither here nor there from an “advantage” perspective since it isn’t a change made by Disney.
Turning back to dining, there is an on-site advantage when it comes to booking Advance Dining Reservations (ADRs). Currently, everyone can book table service restaurants 60 days prior to the date on which they’d like to eat. In addition, Walt Disney World resort hotel guests can make Advance Dining Reservations for their length of stay (up to a 10-day stay) up to 60 days in advance of their check-in date.
As discussed in our Top 10 Tips for Booking Difficult Advance Dining Reservations, this “60+10” window can be incredibly advantageous for popular table service restaurants or larger parties, especially during busier travel dates. If character dining or highly themed restaurants are important to you, this is huge. Even at the 60 day mark, Story Book Dining at Artist Point, Akershus Royal Banquet Hall, Cinderella’s Royal Table, Space 220, Topolino’s Terrace, ‘Ohana, and others can be scarce.
The good news is that ADRs have gotten easier over the course of this year, to the point that the 60+10 window is not really necessary for most parties or travel dates. (We’ve done very well 1-2 days ahead of time throughout 2023, but we’re also a party of 2 and are flexible.) The bad news is that the return of the Disney Dining Plan means ADRs will almost certainly become much more competitive in 2024, making this a bona fide on-site advantage once more.
We view dining as a big component of the Walt Disney World experience, so this is a big deal to us. However, it doesn’t matter to everyone, so your mileage may vary. Also, there are tricks (see that tips post) for scoring last minute availability–but they don’t work as well as booking during the 60+10 window.
Then there’s the biggest consideration, which is cost. This has always been the primary selling point for staying off-site. It’s worth reiterating here because the cost difference between off-site and on-site accommodations has become much more pronounced in the last few years.
As discussed in How Much Does a Walt Disney World Vacation Cost in 2023?, the average total price of a trip this year versus a comparable vacation in 2019 is up by thousands of dollars. On a positive note, that has already improved since publication, as over a dozen different discounts have been released for 2023 and 2024.
As a result of the special offers–which include room discounts of up to 35% off and free dining gift cards of up to $200 per night–the effective price of accommodations at Walt Disney World is actually down considerably in 2023. That’s because many of the same dates in 2021-2022 had no discounts whatsoever for the general public. As pent-up demand continues to exhaust itself, we anticipate even better deals in 2024 as compared to this year.
In other words, this one comes down to your frame of reference. If you visited in 2019 or earlier, a 2024 Walt Disney World vacation is still going to cost a lot more and you’re going to get less. However, the same is true pretty of much everything and everywhere–inflation, shrinkflation, and skimpflation have hit American consumers hard. By contrast, if you visited Walt Disney World in the last two years and are planning a trip in 2024, things are starting to look much better. As with so much, it’s all relative!
If you can afford on-site hotels at Walt Disney World, it’s definitely still nice to stay in a resort with an immersive design, attention to details, and various Disney touches. It’s also nice to be able to walk to the parks, or be part of the Disney bubble.
For many people, it’s impossible to overstate the importance of this. There’s a certain x-factor that the Disney resorts offer that elevates the overall experience into something more special. This is true for us, and even with all of the complaints here, we still prefer staying on-site in Disney-owned properties.
To their credit, Walt Disney World’s resorts are still meticulously themed, with a ton of charm, detail, and transportive environments you mostly won’t find off-site. This has long been a big selling point, as your resort stay feels like an extension of the theme parks.
This applies mostly to the exterior grounds and interior common areas. With certain recent room refurbishments, the sense of theme inside Walt Disney World’s hotel rooms has been diminished. We’ve been highly critical of this because themed environments are what defines Disney, and are in the wheelhouse of Imagineers.
Many of the new rooms seem to be striving more towards crowd-pleasing styles, with generic modern designs, clean and crisp aesthetics, and generally elegant luxury (the last one only applies to Deluxe Resorts). In general, the rooms are less fun and have traded unique and colorful designs for more bland and basic ones.
On a positive note, Disney seems to be turning the corner on this. The new rooms at the Grand Floridian are an unequivocal upgrade over their predecessor in both theme and luxury, and just one recent example of a shift in this regard. It would seem that the worst of this occurred between 2016 and 2019, with the rooms in the last 2-3 years striking the balance much better. Hopefully this is the start of a positive trend and shifts into the ‘on-site advantage’ column over time.
The problem with the previous move towards modern and nondescript rooms is that Disney went from a realm with almost no real competition (ornately themed designs) to placing itself in direct competition with real-world hotel brands by mimicking their style.
This not only makes for an easier head-to-head comparison in terms of guest rooms, but it’s also a comparison that’s often not favorable to Disney. I love a lot of things about Walt Disney World, but do not view it as one of the world’s great operators of hotels.
Actual luxury hoteliers such as Hyatt, Ritz-Carlton, Waldorf Astoria, and Four Seasons have high end properties near Walt Disney World, and they generally surpass even Walt Disney World’s flagship hotel on a luxury front. It’s arguable that even the Marriott, Hilton, and Wyndham hotels give Deluxe Resorts at Walt Disney World a run for their money–and those are often priced below Moderate levels!
When it comes to alternatives to staying on-site, we think that the real sweet spot is on-site third party hotels like the Swan & Dolphin, Four Seasons Orlando, and Bonnet Creek Resorts. (See our List of the Best Third Party Hotels Near Walt Disney World.)
Several of these have locations that are as good or better than Disney-owned and operated hotels, and are less expensive. Many also offer the same perks as Disney hotels. Swan & Dolphin, for example, offer Extended Evening Hours whereas Disney Value and Moderate Resorts won’t have access to those.
You also might consider renting a vacation home, both for the sake of privacy and isolation. (See our Best Vacation Home Rentals Near Walt Disney World.) These are especially great for larger parties, and you can literally rent an entire house for the cost of a mid-tier Walt Disney World hotel room. Some of these contain themed kids rooms, in-home theaters, game rooms, private pools, plus everything else you’d expect from a house.
Another great option right now is staying at Universal Orlando, which still does offer most of its on-site advantages and its own sense of immersion and being inside of a “Universal bubble” (albeit to a lesser extent).
If you want to go all-out with Universal’s nicest hotels that are in walking distance of the parks and include unlimited line-skipping at attractions via Express Pass, see our Hard Rock Hotel Review and Portofino Bay Hotel Review. Even though these are Universal Orlando’s more expensive hotels, they’re still priced about on par with Moderate Resorts at Walt Disney World.
Our Universal Orlando Hotel Rankings & Reviews covers the pros & cons of all those resorts, many of which we love for their locations, theme, on-site perks, and value for money. Additionally, refer to Universal Orlando v. Walt Disney World Resorts for a comparison between Disney’s and Universal’s hotels to see what each does better.
Ultimately, that describes our dilemma with accommodations at and around Walt Disney World. The rational side of my mind knows that staying off-site provides significantly better value for money and that the some of the perks we receive from Walt Disney World hotels aren’t as valuable as they once were.
We do now have a lower price ceiling for most Walt Disney World resorts (except Pop Century, Caribbean Beach, and All Star Movies, which are all a bit higher for us now), which can be a challenge given that room rates have been increasing. However, there are still ways to find good discounts, and failing that we can either use or rent DVC points or look at the on-site third party options like Swan & Dolphin, Disney Springs, and Bonnet Creek.
There’s also Universal Orlando, and we absolutely love several of those hotels. Universal can hold its own with many of Walt Disney World’s hotels from a thematic perspective, and many of the amenities at Universal are actually superior to Disney. Plus, the perks of staying on-site are far superior and nightly room rates are far lower.
Beyond that, there’s a burgeoning vacation home rental industry, cheap Airbnbs, and robust slate of new off-site hotels near the parks. We should be further investigating all of that, as some great deals abound. The Central Florida accommodations market is incredibly competitive outside the Disney bubble, and that’s reflected in pricing and amenities.
With all of that said, there’s the emotional side. We have nostalgic attachments to certain resorts at Walt Disney World, and enjoy their lush grounds, dining, and amenities. We love being able to stay late in the parks, even if they’re crowded and all we’re doing is wandering around. We enjoy the seamless experience of going from the parks to our resort, feeling a temporary reprieve from the real world.
It’s difficult to put a price on all of that. While we “value” it below the cost difference between comparable third party hotels, we often jump through hoops to find ways to justify staying at Walt Disney World hotels. I’m not suggesting this is the right (or wrong) approach. I know part of this is Disney’s emotional power, and we fall for it hook, line, and sinker a lot. I’m not making a judgment either way–it simply is what it is. However, we find it happening less and less with Walt Disney World continuing to raise prices and cut offerings–that makes staying off-site a much easier decision!
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Your Thoughts
What do you think…are the perks of staying on-site as valuable to you as they once were, or are you getting less value for your money staying at Walt Disney World hotels? Will you continue to stay on-site despite this all? Have you already moved off-site? Other thoughts on this? Any questions we can help you answer? Hearing your feedback–even when you disagree with us–is both interesting to us and helpful to other readers, so please share your thoughts below in the comments!
Love staying on site regardless of the missing perks. We usually have a car but don’t like driving once we get there. Will always stay on site just because I love being at Disney!
All good points! In my analysis, I do consider my Disney Visa and 0% interest on my vacation package at Disney hotels. I can divide my total and pay for 6 months for free-if you will. I will also receive Disney Reward bucks that I can use on my vacation. Also, the magical express to and from the airport is a factor. I see that the Airline check-in service from the resorts is no longer going on but I hope that it does come back. With 3 kids, that service is VERY valuable to me. I am going to CB in December (re-scheduled from August) and I hope that some perks do return. I usually only go during Free Disney Dining promotions and that is such a loss right now!
yes I think this is right. I wonder if some will get restored post-Covid. We still do on-site because we have DVC (which is also largely because we are a party of 6 so it’s harder to find two-bedrooms), but I was recently thinking about adding on and decided against it because I’m not sure whether we should just stay elsewhere if we have a trip where we are short on points.
Another 2021 stay perk for off site is that Amex and Hilton Honors have deals going on. You can transfer points from an Amex card to Hilton Honors for 10% more than you could at the same time last year. Our hotel is free minus parking. If you pay entirely with points you also don’t get stuck with a pesky resort fee.
Hmm free or thousands of dollars…
First WDW started charging to park at their resorts (which didn’t impact me as we always fly, but I know it affects countless other guests). Then the Skyliner unilaterally replaced buses at many resorts. Then, actions like the recent elimination of the luggage magic from the Magical Express, and then the removal of the super-convenient resort luggage check-in at departure, have truly diminished the plus sides of staying on-property. It appears that someone is attempting to destroy as many different positive aspects of the appeal of staying at WDW resorts as they can. Please stop.
We still cannot figure out why they stopped the Luggage Service at Check out….That was a Huge Perk for Us
How did the luggage service at check out work? I have had the luggage “magically delivered” to my room upon arrival before, but am unfamiliar with the checkout aspects. Will Disney hotels hold your luggage in a waiting area in the lobby while you go to the parks on check out day?
I love staying on site! But hate a lot of perks are gone park hopping is deal breaker. Most of my trips are solo, so spending the night alone in a resort gets old. Truthfully I feel like like there is no choice for me. I need a scooter to get around and staying off site’s transportation probably couldn’t handle that. Neither would renting a car. I am booked for September 2021 at pop century for 185 a night if there is not a sale on a value resort or another one reopens, I will be canceling again, and again!
Agree 100% Tom!
We stayed on property last October and just returned from a trip staying on property last week.
The major advantages we had last year are all gone for certain.
Those being early access to fastpasses (not nearly as important this trip with crowd restrictions and most wait times 30 or less), early access to dining reservations (far more important this time with limited restaurants available and much lower capacity), early morning magic hours, much more reliable transportation that started much earlier than 45 minutes before park opening, and additional transportation options which were very big issues this last week.
This last week we stayed at the Polynesian where transportation options are normally abundant and takes little thought thanks to having it’s own monorail stop and buses plus easy access to the TTC.
This trip the TTC wasn’t even open most days until long after we already needed / wanted to be somewhere and of course with the Epcot monorail line down that was a huge loss. Limited capacity buses for each park didn’t start showing up until about 45 minutes before a parks scheduled opening time and it seemed like a single bus was making the round trip before it showed back up at the resort. For everything but Hollywood Studios this wasn’t a huge problem if your planned time accordingly but still didn’t accommodate everyone waiting at the bus stop with a single bus for any park but Animal Kingdom.
For Hollywood studios we had to take an Uber both days despite being at the bus stop an hour early, that many other people were out there ahead of us. At one point I counted over 40 people waiting in line for that particular bus and it was another 20 minutes before the first one arrived. So to say free transportation was an advantage vs. staying off property and getting an Uber wasn’t there for us this time either.
There was also a ton of misinformation about which transportation options were available and at which times depending on which cast members you asked. We thought that guest services and members working in the transportation system would have up to date and reliable information but this simply wasn’t the case several times during our week visit that led to plan b and even c in one instance with lots of extra walking and waiting and arriving later than desired.
Thankfully we had been keeping up with great sources of information like this one and knew to plan about an hour to 90 minutes between each leg of travel with multiple options in mind and still arrived at decent times to all but one of our destinations.
Huge thanks Tom for keeping us all well informed, being armed with the knowledge you and a couple others have provided made our trip workable and still enjoyable where it could have become a disaster using planning and expectations simply from prior trips!
For us, the on-site advantage has INCREASED since the pandemic. While everything that youve said is true, the big advantage now is the flexibility to CANCEL the trip and the tickets up to the point of the trip by using a Disney package.
We still have leftover park hopper tickets that we had bought from a third party seller in January that we cannot refund, and watched with pity as folks lost expensive Airbnb and DVC rental reservations/deposits over the past few months. Life is too variable right now to not have a full, ironclad cancellation guarantee. If our family does end up traveling to Disney over the next year or two, I can’t imagine using our normal offsite or third party hacks.
It will be interesting to see what happens when the “temporary abnormal” winds down. There is a very very good chance that Disney will take advantage of the opportunity to launch some new or revised systems.
There is a good chance they won’t just return to the old fastpass, park hopping, dining plan, systems.
So by next summer or fall…. Things may be very different. There may indeed be expanded advantages to staying onsite, or onsite advantages may never return.
It feels like every new “perk” is best when first launched. Something to launch with excitement, Disney wants positive feedback. Like the early dining plan was actually a significant cost saver. As noted, EMH used to have more hours for fewer guests. Over time, as cost savings, they water down the perks — such as opening up EMH to offsite hotels and reducing the hours. Dramatically raising the dining plan prices, etc.
So this is all wild speculation…. But if Disney does re-think the FP system (and other things), on-site guests might find a whole never level of advantages.
I agree with that.
As much as they might like to, I don’t think WDW will be in a position to launch monetized versions of everything. Through at least 2023, they are going to have trouble filling hotel rooms and maybe even the (full-capacity) parks themselves. With everything new opening + fresh discounts + new perks, it should be a great window of time to visit. Once all of this is over, of course.
It certainly will change my mind about staying on site in future usually go for 3 weeks with 21 day ticket and free dining may consider staying off site going for less time and spending it on the coast
We have stayed at Disney many times. Some of the hotels off site were so terrible, that I couldn’t believe they were still in business. And those hotels were known to normally be of higher level quality. So, at the point when I realized, I couldn’t count on rooms being cleaned, or kept up, or in good order, I resolved to only stay at Disney. I haven’t regretted that decision. And of course, there were those lovely perks we all list. Because of the pandemic, many of the perks have been eliminated but my hope is that while Disney offers a consistency of quality I like, they will understand that to many of the guests they court, the perks aren’t just wishes, they are necessary. If they keep seeing low occupancy, it seems to me that the perks will come back. Optimism is keeping me going!
We have a week planned to go in September and was sooo looking forward to all the perks of staying on site. Early fast passes, extra hours, transportation, and free dinning plan promotion. And now it’s gone all of it except transportation. (Which what I have heard will be scaled back or limited) So now I really wondering is all the extra $$ really worth it? Being a FL we are lucky to be able to go often, but usually stay off property to save money, so staying on property was a big deal that included a lot of extra saving up. I feel like there is no real reason to stay on property now. Other than to say we did- which I don’t think is worth the extra cost.
Many perks went away and were replaced by insults like charging for parking when staying at Disney resorts. We’ll spend $600++ per night for a nice room at the Poly, only to get popped another $25 (self park) or $33 (valet) per-night parking fee. So what are the advantages? For us, there are 3 reasons, but they only apply to resorts immediately adjacent to the MK or EPCOT. We stayed at Port Orleans French Quarter once out of curiosity, but missed the 3 reasons below too much and never tried any other resort.
First is quick room access. The day is much more pleasant when you can leave the MK, hop the monorail or boat, and be back at your room in 10-15 minutes to freshen up, grab a cold drink from the fridge, and take a break from the crowds/noise. Return trip is equally fast. Minimal time lost and 30 minutes of serenity will recharge you. (For EPCOT we use the Beach Club, which is a 5 minute walk, no waiting.)
Next is MagicBand payments. Tap your magic band for all purchases, and it gets charged to your Disney room (no extra fee). Very convenient, no need to carry cash or cards, or anything else that can be pick-pocketed.
The 3rd reason depends on WHICH resort you stay at. Most of our stays are at the Poly, and occasionally the GF because they have great balcony views of the park. We often watch the fireworks from the beach at the Poly, or GF balcony. When it’s over, we’re already “home” for the night so no fighting crowds for transportation during the mass exodus that always happens after fireworks. You can also watch from the Contemporary with a park-view room. Wilderness Lodge, not so much, although we stay there on rare occasions too, just to add variety.
There are also some great restaurants at the resorts. Aside from that, I can’t think of any other “perks” or reasons to stay on-site.
You ask
Is Walt Disney World’s On-Site Advantage Disappearing?
A resounding NO is the correct answer.
Along with everything you highlighted, no you have no advantage is making dining reservations. That policy change was announced today. Now all dining reservations cannot be made prior to 60 days to checkin.
Reservations for them parks? Essentially nulifies the park hopper.
Is keepping my DVC membership worthwhile? I have to look at that very seriously
I hope all can recognozed a bit of sarcasam when you see it.
If not YES is the answer to
Is Walt Disney World’s On-Site Advantage Disappearing?
I’m really disappointed.
Hello! I enjoy your blog, and learn so much from reading it! I have been to DW 3 times now in the last 8 years, and have not been able to afford staying on site yet. We always do budget trips, but I’m dreaming of the day that I can stay at a Disney Resort and enjoy some of the perks. I’m sad to hear of the diminishing of the advantages, but appreciate your honest evaluation. I may still have to try it at least once…someday!
We just came back after spending 2 weeks at Pop Century. Loved it. Great resort and the Skyliner was the icing on the cake. We tried for the Rise of the residence once. Got to skyliner queue at 7.15. Got moving about 7.20. Was in the park by 7.50. Got boarding group 7! Absolute miracle. Just to confirm, the skyliner can get you to Hollywood studios in time. It is not guaranteed. Neither is anything in life. If you want to be at the front of the queue to get into the park, on your head be it.
We are spending several thousands of dollars for our trip in April and it’s becoming clear that staying on-site isn’t really worth it anymore!
I love OKW for my family – always have. Main reason (after the size of the 2 br units!) is that it is NOT Disneyfied – I want down time from all the stimulation. The grandkids can shut Disney off and relax. At first we couldn’t find points to rent for this coming May vacation and had booked 2 rooms at a Disney Spring hotel (don’t want to loose that 60 day fast pass option) we were just getting used to the idea of having to buy more meals and figured the savings would cover all eating – when we were notified they found points. Going to be doing fast passes next week for our 9 day vacation.
I didn’t see mention of the meal plans- you can’t get them unless you stay on Disney property. We love the meal plans because I like to know our vacation is pretty much paid for and we don’t have to worry about too many extras. If they ever offer the dining plan at off site hotels that might be a deal breaker for us…
So would it now potentially make more sense to stay off site and use the money saved to pay for an after hours ticket and uber/lyft?
Tom, as always, a great post. I’ve never commented on them before, but felt led to do so today. I know what you mean regarding the perks and their value, but like you, the heartstrings pull towards staying on property. Regarding the Rise of the Resistance point you made, and coupling that with the post the other day about how a glitch in the system let guests from outside of Disney get boarding group passes, one thought I have is that Disney should implement some sort of IP based check to determine who can get a pass. For example, let’s say they went with this scenario. To get a pass, you have to be on Disney Wifi, and by doing that, it would possibly allow guests staying on property to be able to get a pass if they configured it as such. That would automatically in my mind, anyway, add a big perk for on property guests over those that stay at Good Neighbor hotels because on property could go for a pass before the others. I don’t know if it would work, but it would be great to try. What do you think?
Tom, you make some great points. I just booked a quick weekend trip for Memorial Day weekend. I ended up choosing the Dolphin because it was cheaper per night than even Pop Century – the only cheaper on property option would have been an All-Star. I can walk to Epcot and Hollywood Studios. Literally the only thing I won’t have is Magical Express. And to be honest, I’m not counting it has a huge disadvantage because I don’t have to be at the airport 3 hours early and miss out on park time. I just don’t need that when I’ll only have a carry-on and I have TSA pre-check. The cost of an uber is still less than if I’d gone with Pop Century, even at an AP discount. It’s honestly the emotional aspect you mentioned which is difficult for me. The Dolphin seems like a good compromise since it’s literally right there, but this is the reason why I haven’t tried one of the Disney Springs area hotels yet…
Hey Becky! It’s Mike from the Blogorail. Just wanted to say hi. 🙂
Just wondering if you can get the dining plan staying at the dolphin? I can’t seem to find out. Thanks
You can’t.
You can’t.
The Swan and Dolphin both have high per night Additional fees. Are you including these fees in your price comparison? I’m comparing prices now for a trip the end of March. The advertised price on Priceline is similar to All-Stars but the additional nightly fees push it well over.